FlyQuest the Biggest Rise and Fall since Rome?
Amiright? or Amiright?
Amiright? or Amiright?
The Roman empire rose around 6bc and fell around 1400 ad with the fall of Constantinople...
It's one of the longest lasting empires...
Fly quest, is dropping a lot like Japan did in wW2
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The Roman empire rose around 6bc and fell around 1400 ad with the fall of Constantinople...
The roman empire was divided 395 ad. One half of it fell 476, the other a little bit later. "The empire" as a unit ceased to exist 395, so the unit couldn't fall in ~1400.
It's one of the longest lasting empires...
Fly quest, is dropping a lot like Japan did in wW2
The roman empire had a shit load of defeats in the early centuries. Like, a lot of them. Some of them they jsut survivedthrough bribery.
Comapring that to teams that start with almost only victorys and, at best, minor setbacks, seems unfitting. Japan is better i think. Successful early, lost late.
The roman empire was divided 395 ad. One half of it fell 476, the other a little bit later. "The empire" as a unit ceased to exist 395, so the unit couldn't fall in ~1400.
The roman empire had a shit load of defeats in the early centuries. Like, a lot of them. Some of them they jsut survivedthrough bribery.
Comapring that to teams that start with almost only victorys and, at best, minor setbacks, seems unfitting. Japan is better i think. Successful early, lost late.
Dude, you are just forgetting that Rome existed as powerful republic before It became an Empire, and even before It was run as a monarchy From its foundation to the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Ancient Roman civilization lived for 1200 years and for about 850 years it was costantly expanding and for other 75 years was in pretty good shape (the maximum expansion was under the emperor Trajan and his successors Hadrian, Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius spent their whole years as emperor to consolidate the Empire, the true heavy decline started only with Commodus and subsequent events - there were small signs of decline but until the end of Marcus Aurelius reign Roman Empire was still in a fairly good situation - )
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Dude, you are just forgetting that Rome existed as powerful republic before It became an Empire, and even before It was run as a monarch
Ehh... no i did not forget it. I did not mention it, but that doesn't make anything of what i said wrong, and i dont see a possible misunderstanding from me not mentioning it. Granted, i used the word "empire" as a term for the different periods, including the monarchy and the republic, but given that you called the later thing "empire" instead of "principat" i didnt think you would have a problem withh that.
Ehh... no i did not forget it. I did not mention it, but that doesn't make anything of what i said wrong, and i dont see a possible misunderstanding from me not mentioning it. Granted, i used the word "empire" as a term for the different periods, including the monarchy and the republic, but given that you called the later thing "empire" instead of "principat" i didnt think you would have a problem withh that.
I have a problem with your statement that Ancient Roman was not that successful early...they were very successful for over 900 of their 1200 years before falling down, basically over 75% of the time of their empire, how can you compare that to WW2 Japan...Japan officially entered in the War in december 1941 with the surprise Attack on Pearl Harbour (no previous war declaration), got stopped by 1942 summer on the Battle of Midway, and after that they got pushed back and beaten by the Allies despite their stubborness in keep fighting until the atomic bombing in 1945 Japan started to lose war pretty early, they got the upper hand for 6 months upon a headtsart they got with Pearl Harbour and then started to lose for the next 3 years
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I have a problem with your statement that Ancient Roman was not that successful early..
i didnt really say that. I said, that they suffered a lot of defeats, not that they never saw any victories. They had successes as well, a lot of them, but also a lot of harsh defeats. These two don't exclude each other. Also, i at least didn't intend to compare ancient rome and japan, i intended to say, taht comparing flyquest to japan would be more fitting then comparing flyquest with rome. Keep it up, and i will unscrew my pommel!
FQ dropping harder than my mix tape
For me, the big problem with teams like this (and Albus Nox Luna) is that they're only really good in the short-term aspect of things. While they may pull out some fun off-meta stuff and get tons of "hype" around them, once teams figure out how to beat those picks it just becomes a matter of which team (usually the one not pulling out the off meta ones) has more individual skill. Although they were fun to watch in the beginning, now that teams have figured them out it should make their remaining games pretty brutal for bandwagoners and off-meta enjoyers to watch. Whether they remain in the top-4 (or even the playoffs for that matter) is truly hard to say.
Don't think that Flyquest is out of it yet. Hopeful that they turn it around though.
wouldn't that be origin? challenger to worlds top 4 to relegation?
Was thinking of Immortals really... 1 loss in each split then can't even beat the same teams they were beating all year in gauntlet to make it to Worlds
to be fair thought it was a raignover + hunt combo carry pretty much and they both left.
They didn't leave before the season's end... Huni was just not consistent and he was a big part of that team. Now they're kind of ok. Not good but not bad. They have the consistency down and even though Huni and Reignover left, that team ruined their chemistry I think. That's why tehy aren't together anymore
huni wanted to move back to korea and reighnover was going to join him again as a package deal but then Huni got an SKT offer, he talked to reighnover as they had already signed peanut and reighnover told him to go for it, he did and because reighnover wasn't with huni he decided to stay in the states as he likes the way of life there :)
there still best buds, real nice story if you ask me, huni calls reighnover a brother.
The other teams know how to play against them now.
Teams only took what 7 weeks to finally figure out that Balls, Moon, Lemon and Altec could just be walked away from and instead just focus on Hai and you will win.
Balls has gotten worse each and every split since his 2013 Summer split and the last split that he was good was what 2014 summer?
Moon is whatever.
Altec has really bad teamfighting abilities and always has, while Lemon is ok as a player but his main focus is the drafting part that's really about it.
The question is who takes the blame on FQ ? Balls? Lemon? Is it the guy that everyone over hypes to infinite and beyond with his shotcalling Hai?
honestly I put it on Balls, they have to adjust their pick/ban too much to cover his specific weaknesses (remember they gave up power picks just because Balls cannot play a carry other than rumble, even a champ as highly contested and honestly fckn easy as Camille he plays away from (and his Camille game was so bad...) Hai is just having fun, and I do not blame him, he didnt expect the team to do as well as it is and is showing some rust but is still doing well at the same time. and Moon is fine as well.
Lemon needs to just be an on-stage coach for pick/ban, there are plenty of better supports that can pair with Altecs requirement to actually win lane because he doesnt teamfight like doublelift or sneaky and never will be able to. Or drop altec for any good utility teamfight adc and accept they won't win bottom lane but they will be extremely useful and put their eggs in a new top + hai + moon to control the top half and shotcalling to win.
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Teams only took what 7 weeks to finally figure out that Balls, Moon, Lemon and Altec could just be walked away from and instead just focus on Hai and you will win.
Balls has gotten worse each and every split since his 2013 Summer split and the last split that he was good was what 2014 summer? Moon is whatever. Altec has really bad teamfighting abilities and always has, while Lemon is ok as a player but his main focus is the drafting part that's really about it.The question is who takes the blame on FQ ? Balls? Lemon? Is it the guy that everyone over hypes to infinite and beyond with his shotcalling Hai?
Yea Balls used to be the man in his prime with his undefeated Rumble streak--it was like the League equivalent of the Undertaker streak lol. Like many of the old players now, theyre just past their prime i guess but theres really no kind of rising talent to take their place. Its like theyre past their prime, but theyre still holding a the bar at its current height.
Indeed, the early Rumble years were scary but those days are long......... gone that's for sure.
lol, Undertaker - Yeah I can see that lol nice reference! +1
That's something that I wished LCS/Teams can do is to have all LCS teams have sister teams so future talent can get in some EXP before they get called up on the LCS stage and do poorly.
TL had Fabbyy and sure he had some CS EXP but not enough that's for sure and looked bad when he was on the LCS stage same thing can be said about Hard,KFO,Moon etc etc etc.
That is why I wish Riot could make the Spring and Summer split be turned into 1 big season from April-August so teams can sub in players in a 4 month 40-50 game season where now if teams sub in a player they have so much pressure onto them to perform.
A better way to explain this for example NBA; the NBA has such a long season OCT-APR that teams can take 5-10 games off with their starting rosters and sub in their second core players but in the LCS (18 series) you just can't do that.
Sounds like Dignitas Pre-Season 6 (or just during the QT days) where it was like actual proven effort of some kind due to the rest of the league slowly creeping up behind them. Still stands though. This team has officially taken a gut check and there is absolutely a chance they fall out of playoffs just like that given how close the middle of the table is. I know they're 3.5 games up right now but there's still a world where they could fall into the Relegation Zone if they continue to roll over like this.
I blame that article on Hai that his brother wrote.
Ever since that "expose" on Hai came out on lolesport's front page, both Hai's and Flyquest's performances started to dip significantly. Much like C9, flyquest's fates rise and fall on Hai. He is the heart of the team. The article I think affected him psychologically and as a result caused him to play worse which snowballed into the team losing faith in his calls.
Why might Hai feel this way? Well, it could be seen as his brother taking advantage of their closeness to further his own career. I think Hai's brother did this. In fact, his article was less reverential than it was "this is MY story of what it's like to grow up with Hai." It shared too much about who Hai is and I think that affected him, in the same way a doting mother telling stories about her son can. It's somewhat emasculating.
Now, I know just because A preceded B that doesn't mean that A caused B. Therefore, I'm just calling this a theory. There are other factors as well. It's been a bit of a snowball. I also think the losses to C9 kind of broke them. But I think the fall of Flyquest started with the Hai article.
Shotcalling is all they have. The players are not as mechanically skilled as TSM/C9/IMT.
Looks like Flyquest motivation was based off of beating cloud 9. After losing to Cloud 9, they didn't have much motivation after.
what about CLG 2016? Won spring split, made it to finals at MSI and did well against SKT, then barely managed to reach 4th place in summer. Flyquest was expected to be a middle of the pack team at best