Quinn top is literal cancer.

PinguinZo·Apr 13, 2016·32 votes·5,745 views

When a post portem dead adc that is no good to use on the bot lane anymore becomes a top lane nightmare that beats 90% of the INTENDED Top laners, you know you have a problem

60 Comments

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 201618 votes

You realize that she has been predominately played top lane since she was released 3 years ago

ArlanKelsApr 13, 20161 votes

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You realize that she has been predominately played top lane since she was released 3 years ago

After she initially released she was heavily underutilized in the top lane at least in the Bronze/Silver range, as I often was mocked and otherwise threatened with reports whenever I went top Quinn back then. Simply for going her, not for my performance.

She didn't really start seeing a huge influx of toplane activity until about a year and a half ago at which point she started to just..KABLOOM EVERYBODY WANTS HER TOP BABEH.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20169 votes

That was more so just complaints about Quinn in general, not Quinn top. People at that time didn't see the use of a marksman that had an ult that was melee, no matter what position you plays her in

xl Kirito lxApr 13, 20161 votes

I feel like it was harder for triple harrier procs. And that her ultimate used to be more dueling focused, rather then insane map presence. And her blind got buffed into Graves smokescreen.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20164 votes

Changing her ult and blind actually makes her less oppressive to melees. Before, she could make it so that they couldn't damaged her through autos at all with a true blind, and then when they got low enough, she would switch with Valor for one of the strongest assassination tools in the game

xl Kirito lxApr 13, 20161 votes

In relation to the blind,

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(fun fact, your blind can actually cancel Darius and Garen ults, as they lose vision of their target)

Tanks like Malphite, Gragas, Nautilus, Nasus can't retaliate as easily, since they can't actually see where Quinn is. Malphite can't target Q, Gragas can't see for body slam, Nautilus can't see for anchor or Depth Charge, Nasus can't Wither. Or anyone for that matter. Sure, she's weaker against AA- based top laners, but that's assuming they can get into melee range. You can argue it both ways. She's weaker against the Yi, but stronger against a lot of other picks.

In relation to the ultimate.

Yeah, she lost a dueling option. She gained the ability to roam anywhere at 6, with conditionally better reliablity then ultimates like Kench or Pantheons. She gets map pressure rivaling Pantheon or Shen, and arguebly better due to the lack of a cooldown. It's less oppressive in duels, more oppressive for the team.

KillerKellApr 14, 20161 votes

Actually her Blind is a Nerf... it's not a true blind but a limited vision.

That's like saying we were going to chop off your head, but decided to just take an ear.

Taking a 100% Blind that automatically forces every Basic Attack to miss and turning it into a Limited Vision isn't a Buff at all, but they did this because of the insane mobility added (to an already mobile Champion) and the fact that a Full Blind doesn't have much counter play. They haven't changed Teemo because he's a Riot Favorite that doesn't see Competition Play that everyone hates on anyways, so no need to strip a 100% Blind away from him. Also they'd need to give him something extra to balance out... like making his W break CC if we go with Mobility like Quinn, and I don't think many facing Teemo want Satan to have a Get Out Of Jail Free Card.

xl Kirito lxApr 14, 20161 votes

In relation to the blind,

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(fun fact, your blind can actually cancel Darius and Garen ults, as they lose vision of their target)

Teemo might be immune to AA's for the duration, but can still be hit by targeted skillshots. Quinn blind functions the same way as Teemo against range, and forces melee to gapclose to be in vision range, or retreat.

Fisherman FízzApr 13, 20166 votes

She was played Top before her rework it's not something new. The thing is that her pickrate was very low and you didn't notice it but I played lots of Quinn toplane before her rework to counter people like darius after his rework.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20162 votes

Quinn is just one of the best counters to juggernauts in general (fun fact, your blind can actually cancel Darius and Garen ults, as they lose vision of their target)

Quantum WeebApr 14, 20161 votes

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She was played Top before her rework it's not something new. The thing is that her pickrate was very low and you didn't notice it but I played lots of Quinn toplane before her rework to counter people like darius after his rework.

Exactly

People don't realize because she was played so rarely back then, but new Quinn is way fairer top lane than old Quinn.

BellowsApr 13, 20165 votes

I agree except for the part where you said shes useless bot lane. Still very stronk.

Only Play DariusApr 13, 20161 votes

It's pretty clear that whatever Riot does to nerf her toplane will hit her botlane harder.

Weasel KenseiApr 14, 20165 votes

LoL forums is hilarious in the amount of shit I see on here where someone heard something wrong, and wrote it down thinking "nailed it."

What the hell is a post portem? Im certain you meant "postmortem" which means after its dead. An example of the common useage is a postmortem examination of a body, aka the examination of a body that is already dead.

J E B A ł T E DApr 14, 20161 votes

GOTTEEEEEM

BronzoidApr 13, 20164 votes

Good thing any traditional top laner is better than Quinn with half her items.

Goodest GamerApr 14, 20161 votes

good thng you have no idea what you're talking about .

The LovelessApr 13, 20163 votes

Stop using cancer in a non-literal sense. As the son of a two-time cancer survivor, crap like this offends me to no end. Nothing endured from a video game can compare to the stress that comes from cancer.

Irelia BotApr 14, 20161 votes

if you are easily offended then you will be offended.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 13, 20162 votes

her E is the most cancerous ability next to fizz E.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20162 votes

Explain. And give actual reasons, and not just random salt

MunchCrunchLunchApr 13, 20164 votes

it has no counterplay. a point and click knockback makes it even hard to deal with her as she is ranged and most top laners are melee. oh you got close to me. i will just E you away and auto you some more.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20162 votes

Counterplay is called interrupting it, which is incredibly easy to do with even the slightest amount of effort.

Top lane is not restricted to only melee champions, if people like Gnar, Teemo, Ryze, Lissandra, And Lulu (who have all been top lane staples at one point) have anything to show about it. And while I personally don't like Quinn top (I play Quinn ADC, and Quinn top tends to get people complaining enough Riot has to nerf her for no reason), there is nothing broken or wrong with playing her in that spot.

MunchCrunchLunchApr 13, 20161 votes

just quiet there with your subjective nonsense

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20162 votes

What?

TonyTonyMordecaiApr 13, 20161 votes

I dont get it either, but yeah, I played Quinn top before her rework, and it was fun, a good alternative, but it was more of a "win early-mid game, or else you wont be able to do much when everyone else becomes stronger.".

I mean, youre still targetable while youre jumping, so there are a few things that you can do to counteract her jump, such as yi Q as she's flying (if you can time it right), alistar W, poppy W, or Vayne E.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20161 votes

Blitz is one of the most annoying ones for me (Quinn ADC). He can hook you during the jump. But yeah, any CC will interrupt it, and almost all autoattack modifier CCs will as well (Voli and Singed flips)

TonyTonyMordecaiApr 13, 20161 votes

not only that, but Quinns only escape is at 6, and that takes 2 seconds to actually activate and even then you're not guaranteed to live because any damage takes you out of your bird-mode. And her E is the only thing that can be used as escape, but that's only if the guy youre trying to escape from is melee, and they are right next to you, or else your E jump will only hurt you more than actually helping.

Only Play DariusApr 13, 20161 votes

They could just reduce the slow, would make it easier to deal with her as a melee

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20161 votes

The slow only lasts for 1.5 seconds. It's really only a way to get the harrier auto off even though you still jump back

Only Play DariusApr 13, 20163 votes

Well considering the harrier just gave her movespeed and attack speed (both of which let her kite better) the slow can feel stacked against melees who already just got their gap closer nullified.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20161 votes

I can see that.

That's actually one of the things we didn't understand on r/QuinnMains, how Riot said they were nerfing her Q because it was oppressive to melees (when it was made like that so it didn't), when really the main problem melees have with her is her kitting power. So now the problem is if they nerf her E, then we have both of her combat spells nerfed, and she's in a bad spot/

Only Play DariusApr 14, 20161 votes

Yea the Q wasn't really the problem, it mostly affected casters and other ADC's and didn't really affect melees that much. Old Q was way more oppressive, not only could she blind champs without direct hits, but a lot of hidden trading power came from how it would blind half the minion wave and let her ignore a shit load of minion aggro.

The new Q is her only saving grace botlane and compensated for her low AA range. The shortened duration also screwed her jungling.

stealthfox94Apr 13, 20162 votes

Play Jayce top and laugh at her.

BrahmsauceApr 13, 20161 votes

Play Pantheon into her. Free win.

SasogwaApr 13, 20161 votes

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Play Pantheon into her. Free win.

Until she realizes she can cancel your stun or your E with her E. I'd even go with the bet that a good Quinn should win lane against Pantheon, or at least skill matchup

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20161 votes

Except you can't....You'll still be stunned, right in front of him, negating both gap closers, but in a way that doesn't matter to Pantheon

DorkunedAurasApr 13, 20161 votes

a really good quinn can cancel panth's W

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20161 votes

Except you'll still be stunned, And seeing as he wants to be in your face and you don't, it's a problem

SasogwaApr 14, 20162 votes

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Except you'll still be stunned, And seeing as he wants to be in your face and you don't, it's a problem

I thought so until I played the matchup several times, and it actually completely cancels the stun, like Vayne's condemn would; I'm not kidding here. So basically Panth can not "close the gap". Which means it's kind of a ranged battle, which is not completely in defavour of Panth cause he has his Q but still, not a counter, more of a skill matchup.

Valor BotApr 14, 20161 votes

Quinn can cancel Pantheon's stun if she knocks him back with Vault in time. It's easy if the Pantheon behaves predictably.

PinguinZoApr 13, 20161 votes

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ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20163 votes

Yep, just mindless QQ.

Ungankable: check

Can't fight her: check

No weaknesses: check

Congratulations, you just achieved the "I have no idea what I'm talking about complaint" trifecta!

mason waterApr 13, 20165 votes

damn... and made him delete his comment, savage...

ModWulf HelhammerApr 13, 20162 votes

Wish I had quoted it, but he deleted it pretty fast after I left that comment

JavelinJoeApr 13, 20161 votes

Go sona into her top, heal back all the harass. Just tim your passive shot with her blind. Q still works if blinded also. She is an ADC so you can easily chunk her especially with Lich Bane. Just start item 3303 item 2003 item 3340 so you get gold and items faster than she can because. Sona's base stats are good enough. So going item 2033 or another starting item like item 1056 isn't necessary to sustain in lane and output ok damage.

DorkunedAurasApr 13, 20164 votes

you lost me at item 3303 because if you're CSing, it's inactive.

TenshouSNKApr 13, 20161 votes

OP are you asking for another nerf?

ApocalypsicApr 14, 20161 votes

I miss old Quinn.

She was so fun to take top, that auto attack blind prevented pretty much anyone from killing you even if they somehow got close through your e knocking them back.

Running around the map with youmuu's botrk and 3 shotting squishies was fun too, I miss her old ult.

In all seriousness, just play safe against Quinn, don't give her early kills and then proceed to murder her at six. Call MIA and make sure your team understands you cannot stop her roams.

KillerKellApr 14, 20161 votes

I mean... Immortals took freaking LUCIAN to the Top.

I've been a fan of Hunni, but WTF???