Splitting during late game as an ADC...players need to wake the hell up.

Troxic·Oct 28, 2017·2 votes·760 views

Just don't. Why are some people so stupid they don't understand this? My last game was lost because our Tristana decided to farm bot lane while everyone was at mid or at baron. She was absent for 2 team fights, literally doing nothing. We didn't have supers in the bot lane, and it was pushed in neither direction for or against us. Why the fuck would she think that's a good idea? Even with their fed Malz we would have easily won if Tristana was in those key fights late game. Everyone ripped in to her and she said it was going to make her tilt and AFK. No one said shit to her all game up till that point. Players want to tilt for being correctly called out on their poor decision making and asked to stop by their teammates?

28 Comments

MysterQOct 28, 20171 votes

Splitting will always cost games somewhere (also win games).

There was a thread here last week, an ADC was splitting toplane. His team had THREE tp users and jg all grouped up mid. I don't know what went down, but they lost. And the ADC was saying his team was dumb for blaming him. And I tried to tell him, why the heck is the ADC without TP splitting alone!! Maybe his 4man lost inside the base (inhibs were down) or maybe ADC got easy picked off Idk. But he was adamant that it was not his fault.

At the same time. Jg splits bot lane while Baron is up..... Ok thanks for throwing the game. I have been yelled at as a support for "splitting" a lane clearing a turret. I mean yea if I was there it would have been better, but in my defense (lol) we shouldn't be starting fights.

Everyone sees things different and makes mistakes.

GrabOct 28, 20171 votes

I swore nerds are supposed to be smart. No nerd should be dumb enough to make a bad macro call.

ManWithNoBeardOct 28, 20171 votes

I will tell you why you are not climbing: I see that you main Aaatrox, He can be a monster and if you like him good, Keep going. However your builds are garbage mate.

BOTRK is a core item on Aatrox and you never build it. Followed by Sterak/Spirit visage. Do not ever build Trinity Force, You're not Jax.
Runes: Do not build scaling Armor or Mr, They are not good, Never have been, Unless you're playing ARAM. AS+flat, Never scaling.
No Frozen Mallet, Trinity Force/Ghost. Do not know what you wanna do there. Get Flash+Ignite.

You will get to Gold 5 in no time.

GrabOct 28, 20171 votes

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I will tell you why you are not climbing: I see that you main Aaatrox, He can be a monster and if you like him good, Keep going. However your builds are garbage mate.

BOTRK is a core item on Aatrox and you never build it. Followed by Sterak/Spirit visage. Do not ever build Trinity Force, You're not Jax.

Runes: Do not build scaling Armor or Mr, They are not good, Never have been, Unless you're playing ARAM. AS+flat, Never scaling.

No Frozen Mallet, Trinity Force/Ghost. Do not know what you wanna do there. Get Flash+Ignite.

Was aatrox changed? I remember him being Botr, hydra, visage, randiuns, either ga or third lifesteal item.

ManWithNoBeardOct 28, 20171 votes

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Was aatrox changed? I remember him being Botr, hydra, visage, randiuns, either ga or third lifesteal item.

There are several builds that can work, But that is the best one, OP builds bad, He builds Frozen Mallet and Trinity Force with no lifesteal at all, He never builds his core item BOTRK.

PS. Put lethality on them Jarvan runes, It complements his early game damage, J4 has crazy early game pressure , Play him in JG with lethality runes, Build ad early, Defensive late as per usual.

TroxicOct 28, 20171 votes

Aatrox healing scales off of missing health. So the more health you have and are missing the more you heal. He also needs attack speed for that to proc faster. A Phantom Dancer Aatrox vs a BOTRK aatrox will heal faster and win a fight, because of how powerful attack speed is. Manwithnobeard doen't understand this because he hasn't taken the time to put aatrox through every possible build against every possible enemy and team comp. He still thinks its season 6 or 7.

ManWithNoBeardOct 28, 20171 votes

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Aatrox healing scales off of missing health. So the more health you have and are missing the more you heal. He also needs attack speed for that to proc faster. A Phantom Dancer Aatrox vs a BOTRK aatrox will heal faster and win a fight, because of how powerful attack speed is. Manwithnobeard doen't understand this because he hasn't taken the time to put aatrox through every possible build against every possible enemy and team comp. He still thinks its season 6 or 7.

You have no idea what you are talking about, A Silver 2 player who thinks he knows it, I have a friend who is a Diamond Aatrox main who builds like i told you to build, He knows how to build, He knows what he is doing and i do agree with him, You don't, That is why you are Silver.

TroxicOct 29, 20171 votes

Haha what I said was correct. saying I don't know what I am talking about just because you have 2nd hand info, means nothing friend. What i said was correct and true. This ain't season 6. Don't try to act expert on things you don't understand firsthand from experience. I'm honestly embarrassed for you

TroxicOct 29, 20171 votes

Speaking of J4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OY0kuZG_B0

TroxicOct 28, 20171 votes

If you rush BOTRK and Hydra, any CC plus burst damage you are dead. You won't see late game to make use of your later tanky items. You won't have any margin for error with any tankiness or defense.

TroxicOct 28, 20171 votes

I've tried every possible build over many MANY games. It doesnt make a difference overall. I would appreciate it if you actually try to climb with Aatrox, meaning, playing him exclusively against all champions, before you chime in with your two cents. I frequently carry with my build. Its very strong. Trinity Force still deals more damage faster I can 1v1 Rift about 15 seconds faster in training mode with Triforce over BOTRK. For every match a BOTRK is needed, there is another where my bruiser build that has attack speed is better, especially in team fights. Even in matches I lose, 95% of the time I still won my lane, even if my KDA looks bad. I really resent your advice, and I never asked for it. Don't comment on my posts ever again please.

ManWithNoBeardOct 28, 20171 votes

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I've tried every possible build over many MANY games. It doesnt make a difference overall. I would appreciate it if you actually try to climb with Aatrox, meaning, playing him exclusively against all champions, before you chime in with your two cents. I frequently carry with my build. Its very strong. Trinity Force still deals more damage faster I can 1v1 Rift about 15 seconds faster in training mode with Triforce over BOTRK. For every match a BOTRK is needed, there is another where my bruiser build that has attack speed is better. I really resent your advice, and I never asked for it. Don't comment on my posts ever again please.

You're a bad player, Period.

TroxicOct 29, 20171 votes

That's not an argument and nor do numbers even tell the full story. Do you realize that nost of the games i have a bad KDA started with a good KDA and I tried desperately, rather than giving up, to help my team against the champions they fed, and being an engager, often gets me killed a lot trying to make something happen for mid or adc. Nice try, but you are completely out of line here. And like I said, never asked for anyones opinion of me as a player. Small minds like to focus on people rather than the idea or situation being discussed.

MrHaZeYoOct 29, 20172 votes

Small minds can't take advice or realize when they are making mistakes over and over again.

Paladin 0f LifeOct 28, 20171 votes

The better question is why didnt you stall so you can fight around your carry?

TroxicOct 28, 20171 votes

AM I the other 3 people? A fight was going to happen. Either I try to help or sit back. Pick your poison.

MrHaZeYoOct 28, 20171 votes

I think if you want to reach Gold you need to focus on yourself more. Your top champion is Aatrox. Over 97 games you sport a 46% Win rate and a 1.82 KDA (6.7/6.7/5.5), your builds are weird AF. Maybe it's time to move onto a different champion, or build him differently.

Most AAs I see build Bork and Rageblade, tank boots, and at least a Spirit Visage and Deadman's/Thornmail. Idk why you build Tri, and later on in the build at that.

You play Karthus Support, why?

TroxicOct 28, 20171 votes

Didn't ask for your advice or opinion of me. I've built him every which way possible. I even had done a crit build. I have done traditional items, high attack speed, high AD, BOTRK and all tank....the fluctuation of win doesn't change because no matter what you build, there will be scenarios where a different build like my weird ones, work better. I often carry matches with that build and often do the most damage on my team. I play karthus support because support bores me.

MrHaZeYoOct 29, 20171 votes

You also have games where you get crushed and still build the same way/

So if you have to support you just troll, yet you complain about others on your team lol.

TroxicOct 29, 20171 votes

I have games where I get crushed when I built traditionally too. Whats your point?

I'm not trolling. I do try, I like Karthus at top, I just can't find a support I truly love.

Ozzie StormOct 28, 20171 votes

Speak for yourself. The times me split pushing a lane as tris was the reason the game was won are countless, q all because my team was doing all these unnecessary teamfights you're talking about as we're behind.

So no, i will split push when it's necessary.

TroxicOct 28, 20171 votes

We had 2 of their inhibs down. There was no reason for to split. We take baron and end. And I never said you cant split. Just not at the wrong time, which clearly fucking implies that there is a time for it. Stop taking a post so personal and try to comprehend it before you flex your ego and throw in your 2 cents.

Darkdemon653Oct 28, 20171 votes

Why were you fighting 4v5s?

TroxicOct 28, 20171 votes

When the rest of the team is there, you cant just leave them if they go in. Baron was up and being contested as well. ADC should have been there.

xPhantomDancerXOct 28, 20171 votes

I actually agree with the op, just not with his tone. If you're not a split pusher, you shouldn't be split pushing, especially when you're the adc. You're just going to get ganked and killed off, and leave your team without the main damage disher for teamfights. I always love it when the enemy team adc decides to split push too far. I just go in there and burst them in 2 seconds, leaving their team without an adc for their teamfights.

ManWithNoBeardOct 28, 20171 votes

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I actually agree with the op, just not with his tone. If you're not a split pusher, you shouldn't be split pushing, especially when you're the adc. You're just going to get ganked and killed off, and leave your team without the main damage disher for teamfights. I always love it when the enemy team adc decides to split push too far. I just go in there and burst them in 2 seconds, leaving their team without an adc for their teamfights.

Twitch Draven MissFortune are pretty hard to catch in most cases(Unless you have a gap closing assassin), Especially with item 3142 , Sometimes it works.

ModKnightsKemplarOct 28, 20171 votes

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SilentBomberOct 29, 20171 votes

I see that this topic got many downvotes although in my experience he has right.

I lost almost all games with a split pushing adc in my team.It's top's job usually.However,in low elo adcs tend to push like monkeys without vision and farm the whole day when they are behind since early game.

Late game adc should have no business split pushing since top lane can do that because he has the teleport summoner's spell to join the fight.