i never understood why no one tried building blade of the ruined king on jhin
his autos do really high dmg so to tack on 6 percent of their hp his autos can become even more dangerous and late game 4th shot can do 25 percent of their missing hp
PermabannedGaren3 votesJhin is locked at having a slow attack speed and a reload time. He scales very poorly with on-hit items.
ViiLLAiN1 votesJhin is locked at having a slow attack speed and a reload time. He scales very poorly with on-hit items.
yeah but he doesnt need to auto attack alot to do alot of damage
AirKingNeo1 votesBoRK can't crit. On hits are actually best with attack speed carries. Still don't build it on Kayle.
PermabannedGaren1 votesyeah but he doesnt need to auto attack alot to do alot of damage
And Bloodthirster also doesn't give him much AD compared to a bloodthirster, so it's still the inferior choice lol.
Vistha Kai3 votesAnd Bloodthirster also doesn't give him much AD compared to a bloodthirster,
Excuse me?
trash sion3 votesYou aren't open for a discussion judging by the way you reply to the critical comments, so I'll explain in detail why it's probably the WORST AD item he can get.
BotRK: Deals 6% of the targets current health in physical damage, and the active deals 10% of the target's maximum HP in Physical damage, heals for that amount, and steals 25% movement speed. Let's do the calculations on a target with 3000 HP, and no Armor. We'll use a champion who often builds BotRK, like Vayne, as an example. We'll give her 2.0 attack speed for calculations' sake, even though some of her builds take her past the 2.0 mark.
Target: 3000 HP and zero Armor
Elapsed Time: 10 seconds
Jhin AS rounded, at lv 18: 0.95
Vayne AS: 2.0
Here comes the math.
Vayne: 6%/s ---> 2.0AS = 12%/s = 120%/10s ---> 1.2×3000 = 3600 HP dmg dealt over 10 seconds
Jhin: 6%/s ---> .95AS = 5.7%/s = 57%/10s ---> .57x3000 = 1710 HP dmg dealt over 10 seconds
So, not only does Jhin get less than HALF of the effectiveness from the item as someone who can build Attack Speed, but I'm being generous here. I didn't count reload time, I didn't count the time it takes for Jhin to W, drop traps, Q, etc. Vayne's abilities weave into her attack speed much more smoothly, and she also has a passive to synergize with BotRK. Under non-ideal conditions, Jhin would likely get 1/3 or 1/4 the usage of BotRK that any AS-building champion would.
Tl;dr: OP is stupid and doesn't know how to math, nor can he even gauge a ballpark estimate, because he somehow manages to think that even theoretically this could work on Jhin.
There's your math you so desperately craved.
ViiLLAiN1 votesdo u realize that jhin only needs 2-3 autos to kill people right
trash sion2 votesYes, but that's because he has crazy high AD, it has nothing to do with BotRK. You'd be better off with just a B.F. Sword and a Zeal than with a BotRK.
LXII2 votesI was crushing a game yesterday with Jhin and considered one literally just for the active in case someone somehow got onto me. For any other purpose there is no point to buying that item on Jhin, and the game needs to be pretty much locked up already before you could even consider risking the buy for this use.
Billy VoHagen1 votesBecause there are just better items he can get.
ViiLLAiN1 votes[{quoted}](name=Billy VoHagen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJEJkpaF,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-22T22:31:06.875+0000)
Because there are just better items he can get.
like what lol it gives him movespeed and life steal and a great active for self peel
LadyRenly1 votesyoud be better off with Runaans for an attack speed item, or literally any other AD item that gives real amounts of AD
ViiLLAiN1 votesyoud be better off with Runaans for an attack speed item, or literally any other AD item that gives real amounts of AD
u still get decent ad its the passive thats good on him but i guess u guys cant crunch numbers cuz the dmg is absoulety insane he can auto people for 1k dmg lol i dont think u need more ad at that point
Nagoh Shan1 votesAlright then.
What do you think would be a good 6-item build with this?
ViiLLAiN1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nagoh Shan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IJEJkpaF,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-10-22T23:00:22.801+0000)
Alright then.
What do you think would be a good 6-item build with this?
or
Nagoh Shan1 votesAlright, Number crunch time.
With that build, using scimitar, Jhin would have 597 AD at 18
Using the most common build, with no Bork, Jhin would have 678 AD and 30 Armor pen
The proc from Bork would need to match 81 damage, considering armor pen, it would need to match 105 damage, so the target would need to have more than 1759 current health.
Because of the armor pen, if the target has armor, then the gap becomes even larger where tanks (which are the one's most likely to have current health values that high), become too resistant to the %health physical damage.
So basically, because you don't have enough damage from the proc to match the raw damage and arp you could have otherwise, then you can't kill tanks as well, you can't kill squishies as well, and you sacrifice early ARP powerspikes for it.
Doesn't look good.
MagicFlyingLlama1 votesUh..
You just explained exactly_ WHY_ you dont build ruined king on Jhin, lol. Think about it. This is pretty basic math..