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CotC Balance Change

Lord Desert··4 votes·997 views

Its a rather easy change, but it will prevent CotC from beeing way to strong even on NonTanks! Change the _ x% max Hp_ to x% BONUS HP. This heavily nerfs the early game and on NonTanky champions, but its not completly useless in the early because it has a base shield.

A 4 second big shield is already good enough, so now lets atleast only give tanks the option to benefit from it.

EDIT: Since some dont seem to get what my change would do, let me give you an example: Riven now gets a max of 950 + 25% max HP shield ~= 1500 shield, if 5 people are around. My change changes that too: 950 + 25% Bonus HP = 1000 shield. A full dmg riven gets 500 less on the shield. That seem like a good change to me. But if riven would build more like a bruiser with hp and not just full dmg, she can get a 1500 shield too.

Now a little rant: This post was at 5 and got down to 1. If you feel the need to downvote this, EXPLAIN WHY! Write a comment why this might be bad or maybe completely false, or whatever. I am only trying to improve this game here, downvoting this WITHOUT GIVING ANY REASON, is like hitting yourself with a hammer, or shotting yourself! I am totaly fine with you downvoting this, BUT atleast give me the reason why!

9 Comments

Weathered2 votes

There are already changes to CoC on the PBE found here.

Lord Desert1 votes

i know, but its still %max Hp, nerfing that a bit doesnt fix the initial problem, abused by Nontank and to much shield for 4 seconds.

Erockandroll2 votes

Your forgetting the part where Riot doesn't enforce "For him/For Her" mechanics on their champions. They would only change that if it was absolutely necessary.

It's not designed to be exclusively a tank mastery, it's designed to be a defensive option. (For anyone who can use it)

Lord Desert1 votes

The problem is you get to much defense, even when you dont build any defense! Like Riven etc. You can neglegt thunderlords at every stage for example, and it lasts really long and even nontanks get a massiv shield. Basicly its to powerful.

Erockandroll1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HxBHdwys,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-11-30T03:17:56.383+0000)

The problem is you get to much defense, even when you dont build any defense! Like Riven etc. You can neglegt thunderlords at every stage for example, and it lasts really long and even nontanks get a massiv shield. Basicly its to powerful.

Too powerful means too powerful. Regardless of who builds it.

That still doesn't mean Riot is going to give that mastery exclusivity to tanks. At the moment, It's probably as powerful a strong defensive item on all champs. Which is why Riot is Nerfing the mastery more generally.

Lord Desert1 votes

No its to powerfull to early for tanks (like hecarim, reksai etc), and to powerfull for divers with high dmg and low range hard cc (riven is the best example here). Its not powerfull on an olaf for example. See, It depends who gets this!

The 3rd tree is designed to be for tanks, aka. improving tankiness or a bit utility/sustain. But just this should not be strong enough to be your ONLY defense. My change nerfs this for those nontanks, and nerfs the early of tanks a bit. Onlky reducing the % makes it a tiny bit less good on all of those, but its alot bigger for the tanks. Like i said, NonTanks CAN still get it, but they need to build somewhat like a bruiser to make use out of this mastery and not going full dmg.

Lord Desert1 votes

May i ask you if you have played vs a riven with CotC before? Or if you see that this change would negativly affect the game?

Erockandroll1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Desert,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HxBHdwys,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2016-11-30T03:45:23.809+0000)

May i ask you if you have played vs a riven with CotC before? Or if you see that this change would negativly affect the game?

Actually no, Seem like she's not a popular pick in my ELO.

But Riot would support that as a defensive option, as long as Riven traded the offensive power for it. (e.x. CotC means giving up Thunderlords, Ferver, Deathfire, etc. )

That should be a fair trade off, at least in theory. In the same notion that they are alright with Tank Ekko, Fizz, Yasuo, etc, as long as they for go enough of their offensive power for it.

Lastly, I was speaking for the sake of generality. Riot won't act on CotC just because Riven Breaks it, they will decide either that too many champs use CotC, and it needs to be adjusted, or they will decide that riven is the one who's broken. (Possibly both)

Lord Desert1 votes

It is still a defensiv option, it can keep his base shield, but you only get more if you build hp!

Currently its (10 +10/lvl + 5%maxhp)/champ for a max of 950 + 25%max hp for 4 seconds on pbe. For a riven this could be a ~1500 shield for 4 seconds. With my change it gets 950 + 25% bonus Hp = ~1000 Shield with a full dmg build. You see my change does not gut this mastery, it only reduces the effectivness on full dmg builds!

And in terms of power: If someone like a riven does not get +5%cdr, thunderlords, fevor, blood, flat/%ar pen just to get 1 shield then you know something is wrong! CotC is extremely effectiv on certain champs! too effectiv! thats the problem.

Riot is not happy with how much dmg the tank ekko,yasou etc. still dish out! CotC basicly makes everybody extremely tanky, while they dont build tank at all, thats bad!

And im taking riven as the focus here just to show you an extrem example on how broken this mastery currently is! every melee champ, with a fast hard cc can abuse the mastery: heca, vi, lee, reksai, riven, jax, voli, zac, alister, braum, tresh, irelia, annie, lissandra, malphite, renekton, and the list goes on and on! Dont think i just want to change because of riven xDD Trust me, im talking about the big picutre here!

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