Can we buff zzrot minions back up?

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My opinion might not be very popular, but personally I found the item pretty cancerous, so I'm happy not many people are building it now.

i just mean, instead of just downing the distance of the item or the hp of the critters they just went and made it mostly useless. i agree it was sheer cancer in it's prime and was seeing 3 or 4 per game.

I mean, he has a point. Giving examples of things you feel are more irritating than Zz'rot doesn't make the item any less annoying. it's like when your mother says some stupid shit like "There are starving children in Africa, and you don't like broccoli?"

None of those things are uninteractive, save perhaps for the first one, if you happened to be standing still like a sponge.

So, I could go on and on about these subjects, but I'll focus exclusively on ZZ'Rot to keep myself from getting too wordy.

#The Issue: ###ZZ'Rot has a key issue with how it functions at its very core, something that is the very essence of what creates uninteractivity; It cannot be proactively dealt with, and sometimes, not even reactively.

#The Details: ####If you don't know what exactly that means; There are two forms of "Action" one can take: Reactive, which is to respond to what your opponent is doing; to follow. Proactive, which is to prepare for or to set up; to lead.

These aren't really related to the immediate goings-on of the game, so many players don't really even know about them, but they're key to any form of game of strategy; The one who acts proactively is the one who leads the game. I believe it's obvious why that is an advantage. By leading the game, you can control its course, by controlling its course, you decide who wins.

Things like preparing rotations (Pushing several lanes at once), setting up vision control near dragon and/or baron shortly before clearing them, Setting up a counter-gank or even just warding are all forms of proactive action. Actions whose goal is not to gain immediate advantages, but to set up and manipulate things to gain future advantages, or prevent enemies from gaining said advantages.

ZZ'Rot... You cannot prepare for a ZZ'Rot. You know they've got one and you know it's gonna get placed, but nothing more. You don't even know where it'll be dropped. You just have to wait until its down and then spend valuable time dealing with it while the enemy team basically has free reign. You can only act reactively to a ZZ'Rot Portal, and if you don't deal with it, it's gonna spiral out of control.

#The Point: ####ZZ'Rot forces you to react. You don't have a choice. It's either "Go deal with it and give the enemy free reign and certain huge advantages" or "Ignore it and lose valuable objectives." ####You get even less options if you happen to already be the losing team, since you straight up don't even have the resources to react to the ZZ'Rot.

######... This is why I need to actively stop myself from handling more than one topic at once. I write waaay too much.

with "focusing more on it as an hybrid def item and the pointrunner passive and evt hp/5." i meant either lower the voidling power or remove them and make the rest of the item actually cost efficient. I thought it's pretty obvious that takeing that active away without buffing the rest leaves it in a bad spot. Ilovbe raptors cloak and point runner, but sadly both items it builts into pay alot power for their situational actives.

^this.

Or, applying your logic, let's gut the ever loving fuck out of IE, and zeal items, orbitally nuke all armor pen and lethality items, destroy sightstone, etc etc.

It's almost as if every class has core items that are built by those classes almost every game, if not every game. But woe be it that any tank item is ever good.

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They would have to change the rules of afk disconnects then. The reason why they changed it in the first place is that well gives a massive amount of armor and MR upon disconnecting. So... People were going into games, intentionally alt f4ing and then having zzrot instantly destroy towers.

They already changed the armor/mr to a huge % damage resist to players instead. They can't take damage.

I am quite certain that Zz'Rot was never meant to be a core to the whole tank class. It's a niche item similar to - examples of items that are core to some champions of various classes, while not being core to the rest of them (but they still can be very useful when build in correct situation - just like Zz'Rot). Mind you that there are more of them.

Except for Ohmwrecker of course. This item will not be used, as tanks do not need the active (they are good at tanking turrets) and the stats its providing are not attractive to other classes (also, turrets aren't very threatening anyway).

A decent amount of those items were nerfed exactly because they were too strong and became a core pick for the entire class (Zhonya and Rylai comes to mind immidiately, as it was recent). The same happened to Zz'Rot.