Early game bullies are unhealthy to the game, change my mind...

Solo Q Memes··4 votes·2,042 views

I am specifically talking about top lane, as that is where I play.

If you don't play a meta champ, or another strong early game champ, you simply lose lane without the assistance of your team.

I main Wukong, and at what point does it become fair to play against these champions for 20 minutes?

Aatrox Urgot Jax Renekton Darius Illaoi Garen Kled Riven Pantheon

So if my team isn't doing well in the game, how am I supposed to carry while my head is pressed deep in my ass by these bullies for the first half of the game?

How do I out play them when they can easily out trade me, out sustain me, and control the wave, forcing me to miss gold? Hm, a scaling champion such as Wukong which needs gold for items can't farm because "champion difference". And then when my team isn't doing well, and I can't carry them it is my fault? Although I dealt with a very suppressive lane for 20 minutes, did not feed and tried to play it the best I could... I can't take his tower, I can't push, if I roam they get plate gold now and I miss out on not only gold, but also exp.

Not to mention, the fact that they get so much control over the lane, means that they easily get a gold and exp lead. So these champions that are supposed to fall, are still very strong leading into mid and late game. When I have to lane against these champions I am at the mercy of my team. LITERALLY. If my jungler doesn't gank, I am bound to lose my lane. If my team doesn't snowball, I sure as hell won't be able to.

19 Comments

5or6stores2 votes

Play Teemo. Top is very matchup/counterpick dependent, and sometimes you're just screwed. Your objective in most of these matchups above is to outlast, not necessarily to win the lane. Teemo is very good at this, because he's ranged (to CS safely), and is very hard to jump on thanks to his Q and W. Rarely is Teemo a horrible pick.

But some more specific details for these champs:

Renekton Pantheon and Kled to a lesser degree all fall off very hard, and are GEARED around getting fed... if you don't feed them they won't be relevant. It's expected the opponent knows this, and so they have gapclosers/CC to catch them. Farm as best as you can around their CD's & try to freeze the wave as much as possible. You won't be as powerful in teamfights as normal, but it's better to do a 4 vs 4.5 than unleash a fed snowballer on the rest of your team. You didn't mention Jayce, who's an early game bully that works the same way as those above.

Do short trades with Darius (Wukong is very good at this thanks to W). Don't initially engage on Garen... wait for him to Q, kite him (an escape/mobility ability helps), then be sticky and punish him. Then you can abuse him a bit, and he'll have to miss farm if he wants to use his passive. Ranged tops destroy them both and can win lane if you get the chance to counterpick.

Illaoi Aatrox you just have to dodge their skillshots. It's a skill matchup, nobody can really tell you how to do it.

Riven isn't really an early game bully. Punish and be aggressive pre-6, because she needs farm and items. Flat-out get the fuck away when she ults and just wait.

Jax and Urgot are kinda just broken lol.

Poske1 votes

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Play Teemo. Top is very matchup/counterpick dependent, and sometimes you're just screwed. Your objective in most of these matchups above is to outlast, not necessarily to win the lane. Teemo is very good at this, because he's ranged (to CS safely), and is very hard to jump on thanks to his Q and W. Rarely is Teemo a horrible pick.

Rarely is a temmo a horrible pick?

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IN WHAT ELO?

Teemo is straight up int pick most of a time

Poske1 votes

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Play Teemo. Top is very matchup/counterpick dependent, and sometimes you're just screwed. Your objective in most of these matchups above is to outlast, not necessarily to win the lane. Teemo is very good at this, because he's ranged (to CS safely), and is very hard to jump on thanks to his Q and W. Rarely is Teemo a horrible pick.

Rarely is temmo a horrible pick?

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD??????????????????????????????????

IN WHAT ELO?

Teemo is straight up int pick most of a time

Galaxyburstz1 votes

Pantheon ??????????????????

Jax ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿

Solo Q Memes2 votes

How could I forget about Pantheon, of course.

Poske1 votes

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How could I forget about Pantheon, of course.

Jax isnt a lane bully Garen isnt even a full champion tier

Reggardless Wukong is the one which needs buffs else you ll have to nerf about every toplane champ

But wukong is a statecheck staff monkey champion ones he stop being that he can receive buffs

Poske1 votes

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How could I forget about Pantheon, of course.

Jax isnt a lane bully Garen isnt even a full champion tier

Reggardless Wukong is the one which needs buffs else you ll have to nerf about every toplane champ

But wukong is a statecheck staff monkey champion ones he stop being that he can receive buffs

xDogMeatx1 votes

Zed ults= Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru then NANI??? proceeds to death mark explosion

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

everything in the game is unhealthy change my mind

i fukin hate that make a blanket statement and put it on others to provide evidence to prove or disprove your point

xDogMeatx1 votes

damage is unhealthy personally.

Done251 votes

Lane bullies exist to stop hyper carries like Vayne and Lucian from taking over top lane.

nelogis1 votes

Wukong isn't fit for top, that is the issue

You don't have cc, you don't have a good get-away tool, you don't have shields or any good innate tankiness.

Literally anything you need to function top, Wukong doesn't have.

Lane bullies are here to keep everything that doesn't belong to top, out of top. Just like ADCs and Supports do it in bot lane.

It's like saying that lane bullies are trash design because you get smashed by them as Lux top.

Sharpest glasses1 votes

Wukong is bullied top, jungle & mid. So i dont get you reply.

nelogis1 votes

If you say so.

Then that means he has an outdated kit that no longer functions in the current version of the game and needs to be updated.

Fire Blaustoise1 votes

no... that means his stats and ratio are trash.

Infernape1 votes

No, it means his kit is incredibly old. Increasing his ratios will just turn him into a cancerous point and click oneshot machine (oddly enough this is how he plays now). He needs an actual rework.

Poske1 votes

Lane bullies are here to keep everything that doesn't belong to top, out of top. Just like ADCs and Supports do it in bot lane.

Lane bullies are typically juggernauts and they cannot handle Ranged overlords the real toplane bullies

The thigh guy1 votes

Early game bully’s are only unhealthy when they don’t have risk to them.

Which they currently don’t. Because they NEVER FUCKING FALL OFF.

Sharpest glasses1 votes

I main Wukong, and at what point does it become fair to play against these champions for 20 minutes?

This nonsens. This champion is bullied by every toplaner but Vayne & Kayle.

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