ARAM should be changed in three ways.
ARAM only accounts ... gone. Imbalance in ARAM ... gone. Stupid match-ups ... gone.
azrolator2 votesNobody would play ARAM. I have a lot of fun in ARAM. It is all I play. You learn how to build champs in a way according to matchup. You don't have to have a tank to have a tank champ. Tank kennen is stupid but fun. If nobody could reroll ever, every game would be cancelled by dodges. Nobody wants to play a champ they aren't good at or don't even know every game. ARAM only accounts don't win the game.
Plasma Servant1 votesARAM is all I play ... and I own all the champs. Those who want to abuse the mode might not play ever, but then they would learn to deal with it as well.
azrolator1 votesAbuse what? How do you abuse the mode? By abuse, you mean play? I only play aram too. I don't have an aram only account. I have champs in my roster I am not good at. Learn to deal with what? Not getting a champ they are good with every game or what you are proposing , giving them champs they don't even know every game? One is challenging and helps you learn new champs. One is not fun. It's great that you bought every champ and all, and have played long enough to learn every champ. But that isn't most of us. What you are proposing helps players who are familiar with every champ in the game and is detrimental to anyone who hasn't played the game for years.
Plasma Servant1 votesI call it abuse when people have an aram only account. There are plenty of them ... if you haven't run into someone that has one, I'm amazed.
azrolator1 votesI'm amazed by your amazement.
Minarde1 votes
- the champions available should be either all champions (owned or not).
Great for veterans/competitive players tired of ARAM-optimized accounts, but detrimental to casual players who don't care. I think this would work better in a new (ranked) queue for ARAM.
- the champions should be assigned to the team according to roles (for example, a tank, an adc, a mage, a healer, a bruiser) and the roles should be on both teams.
Moderate improvement in terms of balance, but a massive decrease in ARAM team variety. Not a fan.
- no re-rolls ... though trades within a team would be fine.
Not good for casual players who might not be in the mood to play a particular champ. Not good for competitive players who might want to try to mulligan for a better comp/champ.
Plasma Servant1 votesThe point is that it would make the game more fun always. Sure, casual players would be essentially forced to learn more ... what else is aram for other than just fun?
Moderate improvement in balance? Really? You are kidding right?
Again, casual player ... why are they there? To learn. Your 1st and 3rd point are exactly the same.
In all cases, you are arguing that casual players are what matter the most. In every other instance of LOL, it is the top-level that determine how the game is to be played. Seems silly that everywhere else you'd argue for high level to determine the gameplay, but not aram.
Minarde1 votesThe point is that it would make the game more fun always. Sure, casual players would be essentially forced to learn more ... what else is aram for other than just fun?
I'm saying that, regardless of whether it's a net positive change, enabling all champs is not a strictly positive change. Partly because of casuals who don't want to learn new champs. Additionally, it'd also make IP essentially useless for ARAM-only players, which invalidates a major form of account progression in League.
Moderate improvement in balance? Really? You are kidding right?
Not all champs in the same role are equally powerful/impactful (e.g. Bard vs. Sona). I will admit I might've been overly cautious in terms of potential benefit.
Again, casual player ... why are they there? To learn. Your 1st and 3rd point are exactly the same.
No, competitive players would be there to learn. Casual players just want to goof around and have fun.
In all cases, you are arguing that casual players are what matter the most.
How did you come to that conclusion? Only my first point focused on the negative impact on casuals. The other two points were about how the proposed change would be bad for all players, both casual and competitive.
In every other instance of LOL, it is the top-level that determine how the game is to be played. Seems silly that everywhere else you'd argue for high level to determine the gameplay, but not aram.
There's a significant difference between ARAM and the other permanent game modes: separate queues. For every other permanent mode in League, there's (at least) one casual queue (i.e. Blind Pick) and one competitive queue (i.e. Ranked). Changes to champ select for competitive players have no impact on casual players. However, in ARAM, both casual and competitive players share the same queue. As such, any potential champ select changes must keep both sides in mind.
Naturally, the ideal solution would be to add a competitive queue for the competitive players. With separate queues, it's possible to tailor an experience for a specific side, rather than having to struggle with the current "One size fits all" approach.
Plasma Servant1 votesAdditionally, it'd also make IP essentially useless for ARAM-only players, which invalidates a major form of account progression in League.
I have all champions in my account. IP is meaningless already. I build up IP and really don't use it. Accounts progress regardless. And while I mostly play aram, I do play a normal every now and then.
Not all champs in the same role are equally powerful/impactful (e.g. Bard vs. Sona).
Absolutely agree, but riot ought to be able to find true balance for teams better than anyone can. So even if there are different roles, it might be than they have to limit the champions to comparable even within the role.
No, competitive players would be there to learn. Casual players just want to goof around and have fun.
Hah! and again I say Hah! LOL ... I'm a casual player by all accounts. If riot eliminated ranked completely, it would be no sweat off my back. Yet I play aram to learn champions.
There's a significant difference between ARAM and the other permanent game modes: separate queues.
coop-vs-ai does not have separate queues. <smirk> LOL Again, I wouldn't mind if ranked went away. If they want to do some kind of leveling of players, I wouldn't care.
Minarde1 votesI have all champions in my account. IP is meaningless already. I build up IP and really don't use it. Accounts progress regardless.
Congrats on your achievement, but the vast majority of players aren't in that situation. Accounts do progress with play, but "champs owned" remains one of the most visible ways to track progression.
So even if there are different roles, it might be than they have to limit the champions to comparable even within the role.
That just seems like it'd make ARAM more stagnant and less interesting. Team comp variety keeps the mode fresh, though admittedly at the cost of frustration during occasional games.
I'm a casual player by all accounts. If riot eliminated ranked completely, it would be no sweat off my back. Yet I play aram to learn champions.
I'm a little curious. Why are you learning champs if you have absolutely no interest in competitive play?
Again, I wouldn't mind if ranked went away. If they want to do some kind of leveling of players, I wouldn't care.
What do you mean by "leveling of players"? Remove MMR and just throw random people into matches regardless of skill level?
Plasma Servant1 votesI've found that ARAM is most fun when it takes the longest, and has teams that are really well balanced. So worrying about stagnant is almost pointless ... stagnant at perfection would be perfect. LOL
I learn champions because I like playing. I don't consider rank as a positive addition to league ... so I'm a casual player. I'll never be on the pro circuit, but then neither will most of the people that play golf, or go bowling, or play baseball ... or play league. So why bother with ranked and all the drama that happens?
Besides that, I did play ranked once for a short while ... I thought it was plain stupid the way they decide rank, especially for solo players. In order to rank up, you have to win 2 of 3 when you hit an arbitrary line. You could hit that wall a dozen times and win 1 and lose 2, but still be doing much better than the rest of your team for the role you are playing. Chess has a much better ranking system where you play and your overall score against players much better and much worse are weighed. You could "rank up" having lost 4 of 7 games in chess, or go down winning 8 of 9 games. Looking just at "win 2 of the 3" makes it way to frustrating for those in that position. If they are solo, the chances of being in a good match are small.... So, yeah, I don't care for ranked.
But Real Skill Level (RSL, not MMR or ELO) can be calculated outside of rank ... and doing well on a team with 4 other random players could allow your RSL to rise even with a loss if you play your role properly. Of course it would have to take into account the people with whom you are playing, and whom you are playing against. Properly done, RSL could fall for the winning team as a whole if they should have kicked butt and took names and the other team did respectable well.
Minarde1 votesI meant stagnant in the sense of seeing the same champs/comps/matchups every game. In general, players tend to get bored when they see the same champs over and over. It's why Riot regularly tries to shuffle around power picks on SR.
Being competitive doesn't necessarily mean you like ranked. If you're interested in doing well or improving your play, that in itself makes you competitive. Even playing ranked doesn't mean someone aspires to be a pro. It could be for as simple a reason as "I want to track how much I've improved."
The LP system certainly is contentious though. Having LP (i.e. visible rank) be separate from MMR (i.e. actual rank) does cause problems from time to time. Riot made some changes to ease frustration (e.g. promo helper, tier/division skipping), but some people think the old rank=MMR system would work better.
Anyway, the problem with having individual rank changes is that it's horrendously nuanced. It's nigh-impossible to objectively determine what "proper play" is. If I have an incredible KDA as LeBlanc, was I doing well or pointlessly extending a game to farm KDA? What if I have a terrible KDA, but was trading for a priority enemy every fight? Or an unremarkable KDA because I was focused on waveclear and pushing? What if I was tank LB? Even if the system manages to figure out those conditions, adding a outside objective that might force players to decide between their personal score and making a sacrifical play that could win the game is a terrible position.
Ideally, RSL could work. But also ideally, bots would be gone, all players would be respectful to each other, and everyone could enjoy League exactly how they want. Unfortunately, that's not a realistic goal.
Plasma Servant1 votesIf all champions were available to all players in aram, the match ups would not be the same over and over, but they could be well tuned.
I suppose I don't care to track how much I've improved ... so maybe I'm not competitive after all. But I do want to get better. :D
The Whamboozler1 votesYeah, if they do this they can't brag about their number of "active accounts" and inflate their playerbase. A bunch of "active accounts" are smurfs, ARAM accounts and boosters... all things Riot has either ignored or actively encouraged to continue doing their thing.
Because it means they get to show off a big fat number at board meetings to investors and gaming media. I doubt they're ever gonna change it.
SamsWrath1 votesI have a similar idea but, I think it would work best for Ranked ARAM.
Design an ARAM roster system so players can create a customized pool of 40 champs used for ranked ARAM matches
An ARAM roster system for ranked play would allow most players to participate (40 champs isn't that many) and it would keep people with ARAM only accounts from dominating ranked ARAM play. It would also allow for a TON of strategy when queuing with a team.
That's my two cents
Plasma Servant1 votesNot bad ... but I really don't care for ranked. Too much drama, and I don't care if I'm ever compared with other players. It means nothing to me to play ranked.