Kha'Zix major "buffs"

Inting Pillow·Nov 26, 2015·57 votes·6,231 views

So we all know that the lack of brutalizer hurt and , but only one of them got compensation. Zed got his W and R buffed, and is in a great spot, while kha'zix got 3 armour and his q costs less mana..... the most useless, worthless buff I have ever seen, Riot was all over how important it was to balance these champions out, and since I play both I was pretty excited, that is until I saw the Kha'Zix "buffs" I have never been too mana hungry on Kha'Zix, and if anything needs to cost less mana, its his W. Now Kha'Zix is very weak, considering I once mained him and know for a fact that 3 armour or reducing a mana cost by 5 will be completely useless. What do you guys think of this? Please discuss this, as hopefully Riot can see it and give him some sort of compensation buff.

83 Comments

TwoDNov 26, 20155 votes

Khazix almost made someone in Riot commit suicide by continuously getting trashed on by Kha players, this was back in 2013 when Khazix was still a part of this game. I think they deleted the character early last year being one of the few champions that have been removed in the game by Riot the first being a zombie shovel champion which name I don't remember and the second one Urgot I think which was too attractive for the game so they also removed him/her followed by another potentially good champion Aatrox I liked that champion a lot but now hes gone and removed from the game also. sad times item 3070

EwigDNov 26, 20151 votes

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the first being a zombie shovel champion which name I don't remember

So, youre saying that alas we hardly knew him Yorick ?

Ryzing2DiamondNov 26, 20153 votes

You will not remember, Yorick Mori.

Bladerunner7777Nov 26, 20153 votes

The 3 armor and the jungle item buff is the difference between being forced to take scuttle after krugs and red in order to do blue and go back immediately, or clearing all 3 and being healthy enough to gank top/mid and snowballing the game

Yes, I like the armor

Buuuut my only problem is the lack of last whisper after completing Hydra which was very strong on Kha'zix, but rito has already announced the "long-term solution" in the form of a new item for AD assassins.

GaddafiNov 26, 20151 votes

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The 3 armor and the jungle item buff is the difference between being forced to take scuttle after krugs and red in order to do blue and go back immediately, or clearing all 3 and being healthy enough to gank top/mid and snowballing the game

Yes, I like the armor

Buuuut my only problem is the lack of last whisper after completing Hydra which was very strong on Kha'zix, but rito has already announced the "long-term solution" in the form of a new item for AD assassins.

His main item which allowed for enormous damage is removed. BC doesn't even feel right to build on him, never did and what alternative we got now?

GixiaNov 27, 20151 votes

Maw of Malmortius (now with ArP), Youmuu's Ghostblade (which is actually a viable choice now with the changes), Death's Dance. Trinity Force maybe? That one's debatable, got better in some ways, worse in others. Point is, he has plenty of options still.

GaddafiDec 1, 20151 votes

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Maw of Malmortius (now with ArP), Youmuu's Ghostblade (which is actually a viable choice now with the changes), Death's Dance. Trinity Force maybe? That one's debatable, got better in some ways, worse in others. Point is, he has plenty of options still.

Dunno m8, every build path i choose just lack damage if compared to builds before items change. Maybe Yomumu's because of penetration but all 3 items lack damage.

GixiaDec 1, 20151 votes

I don't really see how though. Your AD didn't go down, if anything it went up since Warrior enchant now has more, and should you choose to opt into it, so does Youmuu's. The only actual damage Kha lost from items is 10 ArP off of Warrior, beyond that all the items he buys actually give him MORE damage than before.

The issue is that he got fucked by the mastery changes. The mastery changes lowered both his defense and damage super early game, which weakened his first couple jungle clears and ganks without items, which in turn makes it harder for him to start snowballing and get items in the first place.

GaddafiDec 2, 20151 votes

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I don't really see how though. Your AD didn't go down, if anything it went up since Warrior enchant now has more, and should you choose to opt into it, so does Youmuu's. The only actual damage Kha lost from items is 10 ArP off of Warrior, beyond that all the items he buys actually give him MORE damage than before.

The issue is that he got fucked by the mastery changes. The mastery changes lowered both his defense and damage super early game, which weakened his first couple jungle clears and ganks without items, which in turn makes it harder for him to start snowballing and get items in the first place.

I guess you are right i just feel that everything works against Kha lately.

CherysseNov 26, 20153 votes

I think that If I was to buff Kha I would just increase the base duration of his ult by 1 second, also I would buff his passive so that it becomes more relevant: like making it deal true damage.

Inting PillowNov 26, 20155 votes

I agree that Unseen Threat is a near useless passive, and the only reason it is considered "important" is the slow. That ult buff might be too strong

CherysseNov 26, 20153 votes

+0.5 seconds then? xD

Inting PillowNov 27, 20151 votes

His Ult doesn't need a buff, his E damage does, it used to have an 80% scaling, now its 20%, if his E and passive got minor buffs he may be in a good spot

CherysseNov 27, 20151 votes

Actually I don't know why they made it deal such a low damage (E), TBH Kha does a good job, he doesn't need a direct buff to his damage, but more utility (his numbers are kinda much OK), that said, his passive needs a buff, for a melee champ and a passive that is so conditional it needs more damage.

C9 Scott Free Nov 26, 20153 votes

The reason jungle Kha is struggling is because Rito fucked up jungle for carry junglers with the new mastery system. They covered every lane of the map but jungle with the damn things and we all get to be sad for it.

kaltenashesNov 26, 20152 votes

wait what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F6CwWEZ_-k

EcchiOtakuTMNov 26, 20152 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yYBm9rXq-i-honestly-love-the-changes-placed-in-however-i-as-well-as-many-have-a-few-suggestions

19 and 20 yea brutalizer did somewhat hurt assassins when splitup but the real kicker is lw not being their go to squishy killer which i'm happy with but they do need a replacement.

YumaS2AstralNov 26, 20153 votes

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http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yYBm9rXq-i-honestly-love-the-changes-placed-in-however-i-as-well-as-many-have-a-few-suggestions

19 and 20 yea brutalizer did somewhat hurt assassins when splitup but the real kicker is lw not being their go to squishy killer which i'm happy with but they do need a replacement.

There is also another thing, Kha'Zix got really nerfed indirectly due to Tiamat. Since it no longer has the cleaver passive, Kha'Zix has two options: Either he finishes Ravenous Hydra (before, he could just get Tiamat and only upgrade it later in the game when he already completed his other core items, now he is forced to actually finish Hydra and thus, delay his build) - or he spends most of the game without waveclear.

Also, since Hydra is more expensive now, his powerspike will be delayed even further.

Azirious MistakeNov 26, 20152 votes

kha'zix got 3 armour and his q costs less mana..... the most useless, worthless buff I have ever seen

So we're meant to accept the gospel of a lowly silver as fact?

FowusNov 26, 201523 votes

bronze I saying this to a silver

Azirious MistakeNov 26, 20154 votes

If the only requirement for getting into silver is not knowing how big of a buff 3 armour is even at level 1 then i should be fucking plat or some shit.

Inting PillowNov 26, 201516 votes

Taking 20 damage less from my clear is the least of my priorities. If Kha'Zix can't get a few kills early game he kinda becomes useless, and lets be serious, the jungle got harder, Kha'Zix will have the same clears as S5, 3 armour isn't gonna get me some good early game armour pen, and unless you frequently play kha'zix I suggest you shut up

YumaS2AstralNov 26, 201511 votes

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Taking 20 damage less from my clear is the least of my priorities. If Kha'Zix can't get a few kills early game he kinda becomes useless, and lets be serious, the jungle got harder, Kha'Zix will have the same clears as S5, 3 armour isn't gonna get me some good early game armour pen, and unless you frequently play kha'zix I suggest you shut up

I am a Platinum player and I must say, buffs are always welcome, but this buff isn't really going to help much, since Kha's problems are not related to mana costs.

HighH1Nov 26, 20155 votes

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I am a Platinum player and I must say, buffs are always welcome, but this buff isn't really going to help much, since Kha's problems are not related to mana costs.

Ta-da now we have the gospel of a holy platinum and now you'll eat it up as fact and correct youself saying you were wrong in the first place

Azirious MistakeNov 26, 20151 votes

How about instead of pining over the death of jungle Kha'Zix, you start thinking a bit adventurously and try him out in a solo lane? the nerfs to Last Whisper were harsh but with Youmuu's buffs, Serrated Dirk which gives the same armour pen as Brutaliser but is cheaper and has a bad-ass new passive, Maw of Malmortius now giving armour pen, and a myriad of new items to make use of (death's dance) he has all the tools he needs to succeed in a solo lane, not to mention his isolation gives him a mad niche role that can make the enemy jungler's life a living hell.

But if you'd rather sit here and hate from your silver 5 0 LP pedistal I guess thats cool too.

CubedJusticeNov 27, 20151 votes

They kinda robbed his ability to get isolation in lane with the Tiamat change.

GixiaNov 27, 20152 votes

Wanna know what 3 armour gives you? Safer clears. What does safer clears get you? More health for ganks. What does that get you? Successful early game ganks.

If you want more early game armour pen, then run ArP runes. The ArP mastery in the cunning tree is also about to get buffed as well.

FowusNov 26, 20154 votes

I meant that since you're bronze you can't really call him lowly

SelflessTeammateNov 26, 20152 votes

Bronze and silver players make up the vast majority of the game, so, yeah, you totally can.

FowusNov 26, 20153 votes

considering he's a rank higher, no

Axis the DragonNov 26, 20152 votes

You're the one that brought up rank, not him

You shot yourself in the foot with your own argument, brah

BattalionNov 26, 20152 votes

Axis, as a fellow shiny bronze player, would you not agree to this chart?

Bronze Silver Shiny Bronze Shiny Silver ------------------------------ <- This is the " I have room to say I'm good at League of Legends" line. Diamond (Master) Challenger

Axis the DragonNov 27, 20151 votes

Definitely - although I'd argue that pure theory can be given all the way across the chain xP

Theorycrafting and actual decisionmaking is definitely something I have to give to minimum Plat 2/Plat 3 players though

I'm fortunate enough that like 90% of the friends I play with are all around Plat-Dia level so their knowledge rubs off on me :D

SelflessTeammateNov 26, 20154 votes

ohhhhh snap have my upvote for the burning of the false elitist, you earned it

qetzelNov 26, 20152 votes

I dunno... A base stat buff is really big. 3AD knocked Vayne's win rate down 2% a few patches ago. Given that Q is fairly spammable, mana cost changes can also go a long way. An early game change like this will also affect his mid and late game too. Or maybe not. I don't know. My experience of changes like this is that they are more impactful than they appear at first glance.

Pierce The VealNov 27, 20152 votes

What if his q... applied on hits as well?

What if we buffed his w to apply his passive again?

What if we replaced the ap ratio on his passive and w heal with ad ratios?

DreadlocksNov 26, 20151 votes

Well, the warrior change from 40 AD to 60 is actually pretty good for kha'zix. Although it doesn't have armor pen, kha'zix's Q scales very well with raw AD. I think the biggest reason Kha'Zix is struggling more than he use to is he doesn't really benefit from any of the keystone masteries.. At least not as well as others..

Bladerunner7777Nov 26, 20153 votes

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Well, the warrior change from 40 AD to 60 is actually pretty good for kha'zix. Although it doesn't have armor pen, kha'zix's Q scales very well with raw AD. I think the biggest reason Kha'Zix is struggling more than he use to is he doesn't really benefit from any of the keystone masteries.. At least not as well as others..

Thunderlord's decree is really good on him from my experience

Axis the DragonNov 26, 20153 votes

I think part of the issue is Tiamat's auto-cleave portion was removed

Kha used to be able to jump on someone, attack a few times with the active weaved in there to clear minions, isolating the target

Now you can use the active once and... most likely not even kill a single minion. How's he gonna get his isolation damage now?!

GixiaNov 27, 20151 votes

My solution to this problem is make better picks. With good vision control and timing, it's not THAT hard to catch someone in a bad place where there are no minions around to begin with.

Frankly, if you needed to auto attack enough times to clear a minion wave before, then you've probably already lost that fight to begin with unless your opponent has awful reaction times.

Axis the DragonNov 27, 20151 votes

Oh, no, of course. Most Champions, much less Assassins, will rarely jump on someone in the middle of their minion wave after all (unless you're like Zed or Fizz, in which case minions mean nothing to you). I'm just saying that it's a combination of factors, and the loss of auto cleave on Tiamat is definitely one of them.

Not to mention that Tiamat exponentially sped up Kha's clearing speed once you get it, as well, so he also farms slower than usual.

TotalisNov 26, 20151 votes

I legitimately laughed when I saw the kha buffs, they were so worthless. then I cried because I miss being able to play Kha'Zix

GixiaNov 27, 20151 votes

+3 armour is actually a genuinely big buff to his first clear, which in turn is a decent buff to the rest of his game by getting him moving and ganking just a little bit faster. It's probably not enough yet, but to say that buff is worthless is to seriously underestimate the value of armour at the very start of the game.

Popstar AhriNov 27, 20151 votes

how the hell is zed still in a good spot? hes still trash and a troll pick

Inting PillowNov 28, 20151 votes

He was never a trash pick...

Popstar AhriNov 28, 20151 votes

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He was never a trash pick...

For bronze and silver? yeah, any champ that are played there are possible to do good with

You dont even have the skills to be able to play an average elo match where people actually know how to deal with zed, while the new itemization for him is terrible as fuck, meanwhile Gold, plat, diamonds, and above view him as a garbage pick while low elos like you are like "OMFG HES SO GOOD"

Inting PillowNov 28, 20151 votes

Just because you suck at Zed doesn't make him bad, I don't know where you source your argument from, but High elo players use Zed, Zed has very good aspects in his kit, and I have no idea what could make him a troll or trash pick. Also Yasuo is probably the most played champ in bronze and silver, does that make him bad? I never said Zed was very good, just that after the changes he was in a good spot. Please don't throw some random hate out onto a champion because you view them as bad, and don't act like everyone Gold+ is guaranteed to agree with you. I know low elo players who view Zed as crap, and high elo players who think that he needs nerfs (well during S5 not preseason)

Popstar AhriNov 28, 20151 votes

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Just because you suck at Zed doesn't make him bad, I don't know where you source your argument from, but High elo players use Zed, Zed has very good aspects in his kit, and I have no idea what could make him a troll or trash pick. Also Yasuo is probably the most played champ in bronze and silver, does that make him bad? I never said Zed was very good, just that after the changes he was in a good spot. Please don't throw some random hate out onto a champion because you view them as bad, and don't act like everyone Gold+ is guaranteed to agree with you. I know low elo players who view Zed as crap, and high elo players who think that he needs nerfs (well during S5 not preseason)

"just because I suck at zed" I imediatley stopped reading, because clearly you didnt do your homework

you f0kin w0t m8? my winrate with him is is over 80% in ranked in 20 games, and all my normal games I have played with him are in fact above average K/D, while I have at least played 500-over900 games with him, you dont seem to understand that the new itemization has screwed over assassins when preseason patch hitted, while assassins at season 5 are considered to be the 2nd weakest role in the game, which right now people from higher elo view assassins as trash tier picks.

http://i.imgur.com/RYEHZWw.png

LITEARLLY anything is possible in bronze/silver, back when I used to be silver and I had bronze mmr, I could still win with one of the lowest winrate champs in game with winning streaks, but right now I can easily get wins over 90% at least now. And do you exactly know what assassins are capable of? They are surpose to go all in to be able to 100-0 their opponents, and the new itemization lacks so much of that, how do u explain riven being at the 44% winrate? how do u explain talon suddenly haivng his winrate spike down so much? and etc etc.

This is why people on GD boards makes fun of you guys

"Just because your diamond dosent mean your right" -Bronze