For those who hate the Windwall, what would you do for Yasuo instead?

Probably leave him in a very gutted state. That's my prediction.

I'd definitely make it useless against ults. It is a bad joke how a lvl 1 ability from a base kit can potentially block all enemy ultimates at once. Probably remove its defense against autos as well. Shorten its cooldown significantly and halve the time it lasts.

Duration 4 -> 2 seconds.

I think that if it was a shorter ability, it would be fine, or that if it was less ridiculous it would be fine.

I'm, however, attached to making the duration shorter, because it changes none of the actually fun parts of playing as / against Yasuo (timing it well, baiting the wall, and so on), and also doesn't make it awkward or clunky ("doesn't block ultimates" / "breaks after X spells"-- how do you treat ie. Corki ult or ie. Taliyah Q).

Every suggestion I see creates a lot of knowledge problems that make the ability feel very muddied. One of the strengths of the design-- and the design for a lot of the characters-- is how boiled down you can condense their kits without losing much.

delete him.

@thread Yasuo Q ----> No longer has a tornado and has normal crit damage. Yasuo W ----> windwall removed. Tornado replaces it. Tornado doesnt eat projectiles, but instead redirects projectiles like a wedge, giving room for skill expression and "errors" from yasuo. Yasuo R ----> loses its armor penetration, gains 25/50/75% critical strike damage instead. Yasuo E+tornado would work exactly the same as it does now, except yasuo can also redirect projectiles with it.

Windwall except 1: It only solidifies after it's done spawning, and 2: If it takes more than a set amount of damage (Potentially plus a chunk for taking CC) it breaks.

Nerf it by doing one of the following:

1. giving it a health bar that increases as he ranks it up
2. giving it a small delay before casting
3. not blocking in all directions

Give him a a small ranged ability since his dumbass doesn't have one.

Simple. Keep the stupid wall. But make it a one way deal. Then suddenly he can’t juggle inside and be immune to existence.

Full blown rework where Riot won't try to make him overbearing mess of a "i'm riots posterboy, fuck you", which means his shield, passive, R passive, windwall, R-safety switch near turret are all changed/removed.

But that won't happen.

1-3 second duration based on level

And fix this

Literally ANYTHING else. At this point, I don't care. Anything else at this point would be a breath of fresh air.

I'd probably not actually change it's function, but duration. 4 seconds at all ranks is dumb. especially when its hitbox is big enough for him to hide in and gain 360 protection. I feel it would be a lot more fair if it was a reactionary ability like sivers spell shield. where he needs to time it well, or be punished for misusing it. or perhaps just increase its cool down. between that and his passive shield he is too resistant to poke. its fine places like midlane where he's supposed to be, but then you get yas bot where you just can't do anything at all to him.

I'd just make the duration it's active shorter. That's it. I hate Yasuo but his Windwall is the least of anyone's worries. His infinite dash bullshit is the real OP problem.

Change his passive Flow to his W. 100/150/250/400/600 Make his W Consume Flow to cast the WW WW Blocks 200% his Flow shield then stops Does not block both directions

Windwall's main problem is that it invalidates so many champion abilities/kits when used at the correct time, while being completely useless against certain champions (such as melee champions with no projectiles). If Windwall ever gets replaced, it should be replaced with a defensive spell.

My thought is granting him a sort of barrier that blocks some damage on ability/AA hits. Think kinda like if Yasuo was surrounded in 4 Fiora-like vitals, but instead, Yasuo takes reduced damage from AAs/abilities when enemies hit the vitals.

Make it like Yorick's wall with health for each projectile it blocks.

Or make it consume all of his flow and duration dependent on how much flow he had.

Or don't let people cast it half a second after the projectile should have already hit him and have it be completely negated.

Or make it self only instead of it being a better support ability than the most support's entire kits late game.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Zk3bP2hk-suggestions-for-yasuo-changes

Have it last maybe 1/ 1.4 / 1.8 / 2.2 / 2.6 seconds instead of 3.75 at all ranks

Buff HP regain and HP regain per level and lower WW CD to 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / 14 seconds from 26 / 24 / 22 / 20 / 18 to compensate

Edit: also make it so windwall requires you aim it at the right direction to block damage, rather than it gaining that split second of projectile invulnerability on cast.

I posted this in another thread, but basically:

Make WW last a very short amount of time. Something like 1 sec or under. But for blocking an ability it gets +1 sec. Blocking an auto it gets +.5 dec.

This way Yas still gets his outplay moment, but it no longer feels so broken and unbeatable

Make his W insta flame everyone in chat.

it's simple, remove yasuo from game

It isn't an "instead." The issue isn't what windwall's function is, it's how long and how freely it does that function.

Shoot the wall out further away from yasuo and have the hitbox only spawn at his sword swing, not from behind him. Have the wall only able to take so many hits (tick health like Zyra plants, something like 3/4/5/6/7 health based on rank with autos dealing 1 damage and spells dealing 2. From there it can have decreased cooldown or otherwise shifted power in his kit (higher max ramp up damage on E, R's armor reduction workign on all his damage not just crits, etc).

Is it too much to ask making Windwall less forgiving to use? In theory, it's an ability that with skillful application counters stuff that opponents throw at you. In practice, even the worst Iron 5 player can panic-smash the W key when they see something incoming, throw the wall in a completely wrong direction and still block the incoming projectile because for some reason Riot decided wall should start behind Yasuo and not have any delay before activating, essentially giving him a braindead easy to use 360 degree protection.

Make it spawn in front of him and only block directional hits like Braum's shield does. It's just one of many unnecessary safety nets that are simply there for bad players to feel they are actually decent at the game when playing Yasuo. Less hand-holding would go a long way.

I like the windwall concept but it is to powerful of an ability. Make it a damage reduction rather than a just stopping any "projectile". I put that in quotes because it stops some things that isn't a projectile like poppys ult. Its a hammer moving through the ground. What about that can be stopped by a wall of wind? Like update some interactions that don't make any sense and make it a ranged damage reduction.

have it only block 1 projectile then die

The main problem with Windwall is that it makes ranged champions unable to interact with him while he wave clears, which in turn makes it impossible to stop his power spike.

The ideal solution would probably be to significantly lower the duration and make it more like Fiora's parry.

They need to make his wind part of a Energy usage kind of like the ninja's.. the issue with Yasou is he can wind wall and has a passive shield that builds up way to fast.

the more "Wind energy" he has . example for his Shield.. The longer windwall lasts.. Cause right now its rcrazythat he can pop it up and it blow Every ranged ability coming at him.. for that long.

I would give him a defensive stance and remove his passive shield. The stance is the classic hand on sheathed katana. It slows him but he can charge it for a wide slash that shields him for damage dealt.

Make the windwall not increase in size per rank. Just cooldown. Make it NOT come out of him but spawn at the location after a very short delay 0,25/0,3 seconds so that if he places it wrong he will still get hit. For real, why does it come out of him? Maybe slightly and I mean SLIGHTLY increase the range so that he could block for teammates better since the wall won't have a travel time. Also slightly decrease the wall's hitbox so that large skillshots are less likely to get soaked up when they hardly clip the windwall while going past it.