Darius might as well be a resourceless champion

magic pole·Sep 16, 2015·12 votes·868 views

guy can basically spam Q on CD and never go oom.

where are his mana costs?\

might as well make him resourceless and call it a day

20 Comments

5 Stacks GGSep 16, 20155 votes

they are nerfing his mana cost next patch which is tomorrow. dont make thread without informing yourself first pls.

360D3GR3SSSep 16, 20154 votes

That nerf is not nearly enough to deal with it. His costs are extremely low. W should cost more considering its refund mechanic.

N0rth WindSep 16, 20153 votes

I disagree. 50 manacost on an ability that you're forced to spam (it's your damage, AoE, zoning and sustain ability) is fine. W should be free when killing a unit (else, buff his attackspeed, but that will affect how fast he stacks his passive).

SaltyKrackaSep 16, 20154 votes

Why the fuck should W be free when killing a unit?

Should Nasus Q be free when killing a unit? Should Irelia Q be free when killing a unit? Should Poppy Q be free when killing a unit? Should Garen Q have its cooldown reduced when killing a unit? Should Brand E have a reduced cooldown when killing a unit?

360D3GR3SSSep 17, 20153 votes

exactly. There is no point in an ability having a reset mechanic if it has no draw backs to using it. The ability is already low cooldown and low cost.

TrueNoxianWrathSep 17, 20151 votes

Its to help him last hit. Have you seen a Darius trying to cs under turret after the attack speed nerf? Its pretty damn bad lol. The ability isn't even worth leveling at the moment even after the "buff".

As for the Q mana cost it is totally noticeable even before you max it at lvl 9. Its a pretty big nerf since its his only good trading tool.

His attack speed is pathetic and his W is just an auto reset, he gets owned by a lot of champions that can trade with better than just a single delayed ability.

Im just gonna put it here that people just need to actually freaking learn and or try to avoid getting hit by the blade of the Q. There are many champs that hard counter Darius by just denying this single part of his kit.** Riot specifically said they want to make melee combat more engaging, so you're probably going see more mechanics like these that are punishing to opponents that don't want to deal with them correctly.**

Also if the champ you picked is one of the ones that just can't trade well with him well... sucks to be you, you got counter picked or (like most people are doing at the moment) you willingly picked a bad match up. Deal With It.

SaltyKrackaSep 17, 20151 votes

...Why the hell should anybody care if a lane bully can't get consecutive last hits easily?

TrueNoxianWrathSep 17, 20151 votes

Are you legit asking why it is important for a champ to be able to last hit? Like for them able to get good CS...? Do like, only play ARAM or something...?

...Anyways

Also he isn't the lane bully he used to be anymore, like no where close. Delayed Q, Attack Speed shot to hell, lower damage Physical bleed (as in people are fine just buying armor now), removed the attack speed debuff on W, and the bug fixed E.

The only thing in lane that he got to compensate for all of that is a situational heal, that he would have already needed to have taken decent amount damage for it to heal a decent amount. And even that got nerfed twice over with the direct 12% per champion hit and the higher MP cost on the skill.

SaltyKrackaSep 17, 20151 votes

No, I'm asking why the hell Darius should be able to spam one of his skills to last hit for free. Plenty of champions have problems last hitting, and you don't see many of their players complaining and asking for the power to get free CS, let alone Riot giving it to them.

I'd believe you about Darius not being a lane bully anymore. If his winrate wasn't loaded disproportionally into the first 20 or so minutes of the game.

TrueNoxianWrathSep 17, 20151 votes

Most melee champions don't have glaring last hitting problems since their attack speed is decent or have last hitting mechanics built into their kits as well. You're not referring to like some ranged ap champs that are probably designed to have low wave management early game right?

Many melee bruiser type champs have loaded win rate's in the first 20-30 minutes, its just their point in the game to be good. You don't need to be a lane bully to just be plain better than your opponent who might have to wait to scale. Games can easily snowball to early ends just from this alone.

360D3GR3SSSep 17, 20151 votes

They need to make it more engaging then just an auto attack reset. Irelia gets punished hard for missing her Q early game and darius should get a similar but less aggressive treatment on his w. Meaning increased cooldown and increased mana cost when he uses it on a champion or misses CS with it.

TrueNoxianWrathSep 17, 20151 votes

Uh... That's what happens now? He doesn't get a reset on it and eats 30 mana... I mean if it was any more powerful then yeah he would get punished for missing it in it of it self. But that's just it, right now its just an auto attack reset with a slow not worth leveling past 1 early.

360D3GR3SSSep 17, 20152 votes

No it isn't, 30 mana is nothing and the cooldown of 9 is not nearly enough of a punishment.

TrueNoxianWrathSep 17, 20151 votes

It's fine that its not much of punishment because the skill isn't worth much of anything other than for last hitting when not fighting someone... if it was worth more than that he would get punished for missing it naturally by losing whatever other utility it would have.

30 mana is 30 mana it's not nothing now that his Q costs more.

BeMyFriendPleaseSep 16, 20151 votes

Don't worry. That extra 20 mana cost will ensure he can only cast it 30 times instead of 50.

#longlivejuggernauts

1000angrybeesSep 16, 20151 votes

I honestly forgot Darius even had mana. That's how bad that is.

Only Play DariusSep 17, 20151 votes

Really? Pre-rework Darius had severe mana problems in lane.

I have noticed the same thing with the Fiora rework, old Fiora would usually run out of mana before her HP got low. Now she dashes all the time but never seems to run out of mana.