Why did you revert the Zed ult nerf? Is it because it's "too harsh" on Zed even though he's wreaking havoc to Immobile Mages and Marksman as of right now. Riot, what are you thinking the moment when you said "Fuck it, let's just revert the ult nerf because Zed is bae."
Paroe3 votesRiot didnt like just how much of a nerf it was. It was a gutting nerf - requiring you land your entire combo to get the same damage you did before with just AA and your spin.
Instead they opted to buff his shurikens and thats it. challenger/master players are saying that reducing the range on zeds shadow and shuriken would be a decent nerf, but it doesnt address the real problem of his mobility. Like leblanc, zeds initiate is ALSO his escape and its incredibly frustrating to play against.
Both champions could use their "initi-scape" being turned into an actual choice, as their ultimate would cover the change.
Ulquiorra9951 votesSo... losing not even a half of an auto attack worth of damage is now a "gutting nerf"? Anything that even resembles an actual nerf to Zed is a no-no at Riot apparently.
I wish they'd just hit his safety and farm already. However the case, with his plat+ pick/banrate having almost reached 93% something - anything - needs to be done to reduce his power.
Demon King Maou2 votesDidn't you know? Everyone at riot HQ is a zed main Gotta have that advantage afterall
Guy Fox Teemo2 votes"wreaking havoc to Immobile Mages and Marksman as of right now."
What data supports this? What is his winrate vs most immobile mages/the "popular" marksman? What data supports your claim? Because all you have is your word which doesn't mean much without data.
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"wreaking havoc to Immobile Mages and Marksman as of right now."
What data supports this? What is his winrate vs most immobile mages/the "popular" marksman? What data supports your claim? Because all you have is your word which doesn't mean much without data.
Champion.gg/Op.gg
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Nilok2 votes"Middle Champions that Zed Counters"
From order of most shutdown:
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Do you see any patterns here?
For the ADC, you simply need to be in a game with Zed after he builds Duskblade. I know that isn't the most robust study, but unless someone can instantly lock him down after he ults, he will most likely kill the squishies.
Paroe2 votes"Middle Champions that Zed Counters" From order of most shutdown:
Do you see any patterns here?
Are you an AD midlaner? If yes, congratulations you can go even with zed. Are you an AP midlaner? If yes, are you hyper mobile? If yes, congratulations you can go even with zed.
Are you an immobile AP mid laner? If yes, congratulations zed has MoM as his first item and lifesteal! All of the harass damage you ever do will be healed up because you are both a short range than his harass and your abilities are much harder to land while doing less damage because AP itemization is much lower than AD!
Guy Fox Teemo1 votes
Mid lane is the most abundant lane in which A LOT of champions can play, can't play those? Most of which aren't even meta besides Azir Brand and somewhat Vel'koz, well you have a lot of other choices (These were just the ones I went through in the mage area)
Guy Fox Teemo1 votesI don't see any data supporting it, just listing a site doesn't help, if your going to make a post about something being OP or UP, show data and results that prove it.
YOu can't go out into the world as a Scientist and say "X Material is the Strongest material known to man!", without any hard fact data to back it up, he can't word saying "well it does didn't break under a car!", not enough data and certainly not any good data, he'd have to do a bunch of other tests that show results, that say its the strongest material. All you have on Zed is a High Pick/Ban rate, which are both subjective facts which in the field of science isn't considered good data, thats mostly just Bias.
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesIsn't he still sitting at a healthy win rate? He's so easy to deal with if you don't over extend and Gerry caught out.
Paroe3 votesIsn't he still sitting at a healthy win rate? He's so easy to deal with if you don't over extend and Gerry caught out.
If theres 10 million zed players and he has a 50% win rate and an 80% ban rate, then thats bad because thats extremely high volume AND a high win rate.
Now, if zed has 10,000,000 players and 
has 1000 but a 50% win rate, thats low volume and high win rate which means you actually have to be GOOD with the champion to win.
Its a quality thing. With zed, you simply dont have to be a quality player. this is shown by the fact his play volume is so ridiculously high compared to his win rate. Lee sin has the same problem; he has a high win rate AND a very high pick rate.
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesI thought every champions goal was to be at 50% win rate.What's his win rate at 0-20 games played? Besides, Rito only balances around LCS these days anyways.
LordGeovanni1 votesin a game with 2 teams 50% win rate for balanced isn't realistic and if 56 % is a good winrate but notout of control why is 46% a bad win rate and totally underpowered being closer to 50% than 56%. in a game like this 45% should be the ideal being just under how much you chances you have to win or lose and between 45-55% should be the margin of error all-though not all mighty statistics
Guy Fox Teemo1 votes10 Million Zed players with an average of 60 games on the champion, at a 50% win rate seems perfectly fine.
Also no lee sin does not have a high win rate 46% isn't exactly high -_-
Handin Out Naps1 votesWhat are you even talking about...? You are just spouting out a bunch of random shit that isn't even true. Did you even bother looking up any statistics or are you just telling yourself that is how it works.
Average Games played Zed: 60 Varus: 23
Zed's player base may be way bigger, but his playe rbase is much more experienced than Varus's player base.
Winrate by games played:
Varus 1-5: 47.33% 5-15: 47.69% 15-50: 53.82% 50-125: 61.03% 125+: 44.22%
Zed 1-5: 47.64% 5-15: 47.12% 15-50: 48.97% 50-125: 51.51% 125+: 54.12%
Now tell me by reading this how exactly you have to be GOOD at Varus to win, but apparently not with Zed? Please do yourself a favor and look up what you are about to post about before saying its a fact. I know you will probably down vote this because I am actually using logic and facts as an argument, but at least do your best to try doing the same in the future :^).
Oh yeah btw Lee never has a high winrate, he is known for being one of the hardest champs in the game and always has a very low winrate, he rarely even passes 50% at 125+ games played.
http://champion.gg/champion/Varus/Middle http://champion.gg/champion/Zed http://champion.gg/champion/LeeSin
Xeruon1 votesClassic Boars QQ getting upovtes because of circlejerk, Exhibit #2834037245098307873127691273