Viktor's E Nerf

9L9L9L9L9L9L9L·Feb 22, 2016·74 votes·6,527 views

Viktor's E and upgraded E base damages are getting lowered, wtf why?!

85 Comments

arcinexFeb 22, 201641 votes

Screw that. If I can't one shot the caster minion wave with the upgraded E on my first back then I'm not playing Viktor anymore. It's really one of Viktor's defining traits.

Shac NorrisFeb 22, 201621 votes

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Screw that. If I can't one shot the caster minion wave with the upgraded E on my first back then I'm not playing Viktor anymore. It's really one of Viktor's defining traits.

Well... Graves is allowed to do it.. right?

LimitaneiFeb 22, 20161 votes

Try Malzahar then. Get at least 3 levels into your E and you will NEVER run out of mana if you're good at CS'ing.

Ariel the CruelFeb 22, 20166 votes

if you're good at CS'ing.

Or if... you know... You can AA. At all.

yoniameFeb 22, 20161 votes

i pick malhazar often because i am too lazy to seriously farm. E makes it funny

5000000000000000Feb 22, 20161 votes

Why not Heimerdinger?

yoniameFeb 23, 20161 votes

i am more comfortable with Malhazar late game and possible mobilty

Voluug13Feb 23, 20161 votes

That only happens after lv4 E and like 80+ AP. Otherwise Malz's terrible AAs will still make you miss.

Ariel the CruelFeb 23, 20161 votes

Miss what? The point is to lower the minion's health so it dies while carrying space aids. Easy mana and wave clear.

Kaiser NoahFeb 23, 20162 votes

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Try then. Get at least 3 levels into your E and you will NEVER run out of mana if you're good at CS'ing.

mabey we like viktor?

GalewingsFeb 22, 201638 votes

It's just an absolute load of bullshit that a 47% winrate champion is getting nerfed whereas assholes like these two Lux Zed get to go by scotch free.

Viktor has great wave clear, which lets him protect mid turret (quite an important objective anyone with a brain will seek to take out) longer than most people can, and because riot wants to enforce faster games so that their boring ass LC$ games end more quickly they are nerfing him so that pro teams stop picking someone who can reliably delay the game and scale very well into a lategame (a naughty word for riot this season)

Yes, I am upset at this because Viktor is my favorite champion and I know just how crippling this nerf is going to be for him. The Hexcore nerfs last year made him a not overpowered champion, this nerf is going to put him into the Azir tier of trash.

Ariel the CruelFeb 22, 20168 votes

this nerf is going to put him into the Azir tier of trash.

Interesting choice of champions. Since good Azirs wreck face. HARD.

Rinky DinkyFeb 22, 20165 votes

It's funny because everyone agrees lcs is boring as fuck right now.

4v0 lanes op

arcinexFeb 23, 20161 votes

Couldn't have said that better myself. +1

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 22, 201622 votes

Because Riot logic.

Good Viktor destroyed them in soloq.

GalewingsFeb 22, 201614 votes

Nah, a 5 man riot party got rekt by one in dynamic queue while they were probably playing Quinn LeeSin Zed Kalista Alistar themselves

LimitaneiFeb 22, 201615 votes

Nerfs because it's the Season of Assassins this time of year. Mages aren't allowed to be strong anymore.

Ariel the CruelFeb 22, 20162 votes

Only fair. Once the mid-season mage rework hits, Assassins won't have anything to do for a few months.

Nagoh ShanFeb 22, 20163 votes

Except kill the mages that become popular after their shiny new kit's are out.

Timely VoidlingFeb 22, 20169 votes

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9L9L9L9L9L9L9LFeb 22, 20168 votes

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It seriously is weird, like I can't see any possible logic behind this which can't be used against the top pick and winrate mages.

It let's him clear too fast? Oh don't mind she just used E and obliterated every caster minion and put even the cannon at half health and then killed it with 1 normal auto because of her passive.

It deal's too much damage by hitting enemies twice? What is true damage on the second pass of Q anyway?

Riot balancing team in a nutshell

UrPalAlFeb 22, 20163 votes

To be fair, Viktor's stalling power is pretty crazy when used with a team that does better late game. It's not his fault on his own, but neither lux or Ahri can destroy an ENTIRE wave from afar. Ahri has to get close to use the q all the way through, and Lux's e's radius won't hit them all.

I still want Lux gutted though.

Zav5HDjHuJFeb 22, 20165 votes

Probably nerfed cause LCS.

(Even though LCS usage does not always mean unbalanced.)

FastAsHeckFeb 22, 20165 votes

Karthus oh hi Viktor, I see you smashed some rioters too buddy...

######still salty AF for the W nerf

WutsKrakenFeb 22, 20164 votes

Because he got played in freakin LCS...a lot...

As a season 3 Viktor player, any changes I see to him now just make me sad

YoureSquiddingMeFeb 22, 20164 votes

Vik is an ap champion. Can't have him doing that. Not when Corki, Graves, and Lucian need to have that unique identity. Doing damage is an AD identity, and we feel that AP champs would be more unique if differentiated in that regard.

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I'm guessing the same reason Riot has left Ziggs in garbage tier for so long. They don't like waveclear/stall in their LCS games.

Honestly I don't give a shit about their LCS games. Balancing the game around competitive is making it extremely unfun.

atomicwitFeb 22, 20163 votes

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Vik is an ap champion. Can't have him doing that. Not when Corki, Graves, and Lucian need to have that unique identity. Doing damage is an AD identity, and we feel that AP champs would be more unique if differentiated in that regard.

Honestly I don't give a shit about their LCS games. Balancing the game around competitive is making it extremely unfun.

It has to be balanced around LCS because balance assumes optimal play not people making horrendous mistakes and getting hit by every skillshot. The thing is though, VIktor isn't OP in LCS either. He's nowhere near pick/ban.

Vistha KaiFeb 22, 20164 votes

Why? Because Lux and Zed are too strong.

Now buy those sweet skins, peasant.

Chespin2013Feb 22, 20163 votes

They don't like that his waveclear can stall out games thus making longer games which is what Riot doesn't like now apparently eventho they are plenty of other champions that can wave clear just as good as Viktor. IMO its a bad design philosophy the way they are going for shorter games its make the game less fun, makes comebacks happen less especially with how snowbally the game has become to where games can be extremely one sided, and makes late game champions nearly irrelevant since early and mid game champions are dominating right now.

Ariel the CruelFeb 22, 20168 votes

makes comebacks happen less

Bright side: Comebacks are [theoretically] easier than ever. Get an ace after 25 minutes and if 2 or more of you survive; you can drop 2 turrets; an inhib, and nexus before anyone respawns!

MrWasjigFeb 22, 20166 votes

Ah Season 6...who needs defensive structures that can actually defend shit am I right?

Ariel the CruelFeb 22, 20162 votes

That comment actually had less to do with the structures being threatening, and more to do with them being made of rice paper while you can eat (and possibly cook) dinner during the increased death timers.

I Summons IFeb 22, 20163 votes

Currently, viktors empowered e will kill all casters at rank 4 (lvl 7). Honestly, I don't mind seeing his base damages slightly lowered.

Nagoh ShanFeb 22, 20167 votes

So basically you don't want to see viktor played?

His waveclear is what set's him apart from other mages. Without it he's a burst mage with little utility, and less burst now that his highest damage-output ability is getting nerfed.

ScramrailFeb 22, 20163 votes

Viktor getting nerfed supposedly "for his waveclear" meanwhile GP can do what Vik does only better and without having to sacrifice a massive amount of hits kits damage potential for up to 7 seconds. GG rito

PrometheSFeb 22, 20163 votes

Nobody knows why. They were asked not to on the PBE.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 22, 20163 votes

Riot doesn't listen players.

9L9L9L9L9L9L9LFeb 22, 20163 votes

Meanwhile Lux is running rampant in the Mid lane.....-.-

invisiblecat1Feb 22, 20162 votes

His E should not 1/2 health adcs

Timely VoidlingFeb 22, 201624 votes

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yoniameFeb 22, 20166 votes

ahri worst example, she needs at least 3 spells landed for half hp

mason waterFeb 22, 20162 votes

have you never gone into late game with an arhi?

Vellich0rFeb 22, 20162 votes

"hi, my name is charm + Q"

mason waterFeb 22, 20162 votes

"oh you died, how sad. on to the next person!"

yoniameFeb 23, 20161 votes

you must play vs lvl 18 ahri with a lvl 10 squishy for that

yoniameFeb 22, 20162 votes

Ezreal Leblanc Talon are better examples than ahri

bobsenbobFeb 23, 20162 votes

well with lb you'd be extremely lucky to not have her take all your hp

1000angrybeesFeb 22, 20163 votes

Annie has always been problematic. No denying that. It's more tibbers and her easy access to her passive than her other spells, though.

Lux is very over-hyped on the nerf train. She's good, but completely beatable. She also sucks at waveclear until she gets at least one complete item and rank 4 E.

Ahri is more safe than anything. Her skill shots aren't hard to predict and her other two abilities are only used in tandem with combos. Plus she's already been nerfed- W nerfs, E nerfs, R nerfs. She plays more like a mage now, as she should.

Unstoppable MonkFeb 22, 201610 votes

Skillshot that has two conditions for full damage, which is large majority of his damage in his entire kit.