Jinx is supposed to deal more damage than Ashe????

WitchQueen Annie··3 votes·1,483 views

I play lots of Ashe and at 2 to 3 items, her damage is very high.

I've been told that Jinx is picked for her broken late game damage while Ashe is mainly picked for her utility (often considered "low damage" when all adcs are considered). However, when I play Jinx I not only struggle in lane but I also deal NO DAMAGE compared to when I play Ashe.

Why is this?

Should Jinx be consistently out damaging Ashe? Why do you think its not happening?

13 Comments

archerno13 votes

Wrong build perhaps?

Jinx scales better with crit. Her rockets get adittional AD. Jinx can hit 5 targets while ashe can only hit 3 (if built hurricane). Jinx has higher range so its easier for her to dish out damage. And Jinx attack faster and gets huge bursts of Move and attack speed after getting kills or assists.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

so am I supposed to be mostly using Rockets or Machine Gun when I'm kiting? Its always a bit confusing to me...

Do you build a complete IE first or BF Sword into Hurricane?

archerno12 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vlad Maine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HVJIQxMG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-06-05T21:24:33.515+0000)

so am I supposed to be mostly using Rockets or Machine Gun when I'm kiting? Its always a bit confusing to me...

Do you build a complete IE first or BF Sword into Hurricane?

I dont play Jinx.

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2508180130/20132258

You can check for example Doublelifts build.

Erockandroll2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vlad Maine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HVJIQxMG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-06-05T21:24:33.515+0000)

so am I supposed to be mostly using Rockets or Machine Gun when I'm kiting? Its always a bit confusing to me...

Do you build a complete IE first or BF Sword into Hurricane?

When Kiting, use your rockets and other long range implements. (Including Zap) The mini gun is better in a flat out duel, especially once fully ramped.

I would probably go with the BF into Hurricane (Or other AS item) Over a strait IE rush. While you do get AS ramp on mini gun, having more AS to start with means you ramp up faster.

Final note about kit, If your support is a Catcher (or has a lot of CC) and snags one of your opponents. You can layer your chompers on top of that for additional lockdown. (or the other way around) This can mean sever damage to an enemy which might kill them, and even if they try and flash away, you might nab them with your ult if their low enough.

Damodar2 votes

Use rockets to try and maintain as much distance between you and your targets. They're also good if the enemy is clumped together. Use minigun if there is a single target in range.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

I suggest playing it by ear in terms of your Zeal item.

RFC and Phantom Dancer are extremely good items that can even be better for teamfights depend on who you are playing against.

KirotheImmortal1 votes

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Wrong build perhaps?

Jinx scales better with crit. Her rockets get adittional AD. Jinx can hit 5 targets while ashe can only hit 3 (if built hurricane). Jinx has higher range so its easier for her to dish out damage. And Jinx attack faster and gets huge bursts of Move and attack speed after getting kills or assists.

However alternate once your at max stacks so you do get the splash/extra damage.

Erockandroll2 votes

Jinx is a hyper carry, so she should hold a damage advantage in the late game. Though she isn't meta thanks to this so called "Snowball Meta."

I think build wise, Ashe has a solid advantage simply due her ability to get an early BotRK. (Which people cried OP) And the %HP shred seems to offer a good amount of Damage as a base. Especially when paired with a high AS build.

Jinx on the other hand I feel needs heavier Damage scaling with AD and crit chance. You need to have IE in your build, along with at least on good zeal item. Likely leaving LS as a 3rd item where Ashe can get that sustain as a first item.

Over all, Ashe just has a better time with the current pacing and itemization.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Ok, well let me explain how to play Jinx. First you max R then Q then W then E, and I usually go QEQWQR for first 6 levels. Building crit is essential for her. While she can run a lifesteal build, she is worse at rushing it than most other ADCs. In short she needs damage and attack speed. My prefered build is item 3031 item 3085 item 3094 for a core (usually I get a B.F.Sword first then rush hurricane, but that is just me, but defenatly get a damage item before you grab any attack speed) item 3006 or item 3047 for boots item 3036 / item 3033 for armor pen Then either item 3072 item 3153 item 3026 item 3139 item 3087 item 3046 or item 3156 depending on how the game is going and what I need/want.

For the most part, just follow her recommended build.

Masteries are 18-12-0 or 18-0-12 (again preference) Keystone is either Fervor of Battle or Warlord's Bloodlust

I prefer WB with 18-12-0

runes are attack speed ADC runes. (AD reds, AR yellows, MR blues, AS quints ||| sometimes players swap out a few yellows and blues with attack speed ones for a life steal quint, but this is only a preference)

Obviously take summoner 7 and summoner 4 for Summoner Spells

For laning, mainly you just farm. Jinx has a losing match-up into almost every other ADC when it comes to kill potential in the early game. This is because she has no mobility, a delayed snare, and no passive until she gets a kill, assist, or an objective. Managing your mana is crucial. It might be fun to poke and farm with rockets, but it drains mana pretty fast at early levels. However, use it when a good poke opportunity shows. Splash damage is easy to harass enemy champions with. Scout for enemies hiding in brush with W. It is long enough to keep you safe.

NEVER fight with just only your rockets before you get a significant amount of attack speed items (oritem 3085) at early levels. The 25% cut to your attack speed is just crippling your DPS when you have less than a 1.0 attack speed. Mini-gun is your vest bet for early game skirmishes. It allows you to easily kite with its short animation and stacking component. Basically use your rockets to deal AOE damage when needed, or to finish off a fleeing opponent with its increased range. Also, the later the game goes, the more you will switch to using the rocket form over the mini-gun form.

I would usually say once you have boots and 2 core items (usually item 3031 and item 3085) is when you start becoming a serious threat. But before that you are meh at best.

Save your ult for executing enemies or monsters (you can sometimes steal dragon/baron if you are lucky). You can also send it towards other lanes since it is a global in hopes of sniping a low health top, jg, or mid laner.

Jinx excels at taking structures with her mini-gun. Use it over rockets, especially if an enemy is nearby as the splash could draw aggro.

Kai Guy1 votes

If I had to hazard a quick guess. I would assume Because people don't Toggle jinx Q optimally and her R need to hit low hp champs where ashe can just chuck it out and get a fat stun. Ashes Mechanics that amp her damage are a lot easier to understand and also land. Autoing multiple times as ashe gives her crit bounes where jinx crits still random ish, Ashe volley has long range and is a cone cast with no delay, Jinx narrow skill shot that's telegraphed, also her E has a arming time., Ashe W has a clear use asap when autoing folks cases.

So tldr.. skillcaps.

Damodar1 votes

Depends on the circumstances. Jinx does large amounts of AOE, especially with Runaans. Jinx also needs some more crit under her belt to get consistent crits going. Ashe gets higher DPS when she can maintain her autos on targets because of her passive. In a straight single target dps fight, Ashe would probably do more damage consistantly because of her passive.

ParvatiShallow1 votes

3+ item jinx in mid-late game levels will out damage the same items/level on ashe. Honestly just look at how she scales, her Q mini-gun scales with level what does that tell you? If you reach late game you will out dps an Ashe simply. Early game jinx is meant to be vulnerable similar to vayne. Basic adc knowledge!

Tobias Brackner1 votes

I'd test this out with bots. I'd be surprised if Jinx consistently does less damage than Ashe. I can see Ashe having more damage when her (Q?) is up but I feel Jinx's steroids should give her more damage overall (this also doesn't factor in skills)

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