If Season 9 continues as this Preseason is showing, I might as well call it quits

Forhonor321··45 votes·13,134 views

For what this preseason is right now, it just feels awful. Nothing about what the players wanted to be addressed feels like it was taken. Nothing has changed. Turrets I still feel can go down pretty damn quick, even with the plating on, and the amount of gold they give plus First Turret Blood still being a thing just adds more to the snowball effect. In fact, how many people were thinking/wanting turret plating to actually just be a second health bar over the original, instead of just acting as the one and only health bar throughout the first 14 minutes and any damage it took carries over to it's weaker form? I sure as hell thought so!

What about runes? Does the new ability to choose your bonus stats make things better there? Not really when there are only a handful of runes that are worth picking. Those being the raw damage boosts (which stack), the attack speed upgrade, or the armor and MR runes that barely give what they did in their former selfs unless you pick the same one twice. The bonus health is too damn tiny and doesn't scale well at all and the CDR is the same, getting your max by level 18, which is a miracle if you can make it there since games still feel like stomps half of the time. The only time you'd take the CDR is for combination of the Trancendence rune to get that little extra damage off. Health is just worthless.

Oh, and how can we forget about the reworked Dark Harvest? Yeah, now instead of farming up souls over the game to get that glorious massive damage, you just need to hit an enemy at half health, either wait a period of time to get it back or better yet kill someone to instantly get it back and become a menace by the mid game, which at that point you're already winning or losing.

So, to recap: turrets only feel tankier and last longer if you're lucky and grant insane amounts of gold if you take them down before 14 minutes, rune bonuses are lackluster and the reworked Dark Harvest is stupid, and combining this overall with the feeling that damage still feels too high.

...I want to like League again. Fucking dammit, I want to like League again! I want to play the champs I love without having to feel punished for picking them because I'm not making the big play maker/super high damage and mobility champs. I want to play tanks for the feeling of providing CC and being a wall in teamfights and not just be these semi-meatier damage Juggernauts. I want to feel like games aren't decided in the first 10 minutes of the game where the enemy snowballs and I can't leave for another 10+ minutes because my team still thinks it winnable, while I'm just becoming more and more miserable and demoralized in both this match and the game as a whole. I just hate what this game has become nowadays. And with my friend deciding to finally try the game out, I don't know whether I should stay and help him through this cesspool or just tell him to jump ship with me cause this isn't worth it anymore.

29 Comments

Tacosrock6 votes

Then call it quits. Seriously, I can’t stand how many of these posts get made when it won’t make a difference. No matter how much the two thousand people that use the boards complain, nothing is actually going to change because it’s such a small portion of the player-base. It’s preseason, first of all, and while not much may change after it, there will be adjustments to make it feel a bit better.

Go play a different game and have fun instead of moping about how Riot doesn’t care about you or state of the game. Of course they don’t! Their focus is mainly Asia right now because that brings in the big bucks.

Karn Bishop2 votes

I don't get how you can read someones heartfelt frustration of a game they a have been passionate about and respond like you did, what happened to compassion and understanding others frustrations? To think there would be a time where someone would be delighted that a gaming company no longer hears the voices of the players is saddening to say the least.

Míellá5 votes

Since when is preseason showing how the real season is going to be? I don't know for how long you've been playing league, but every preseason, everyone just fucks around and everytime the game is just a complete fiesta. Riot adds new stuff to the game, which is often completly overtuned. ######(Like DH right now). But it will be balanced soon enough. You'll never see a balanced game in preseason. You gotta wait for a month to have a normal league game again. So for now, you'll just have to embrace it.

Míellá3 votes

how many people were thinking/wanting turret plating to actually just be a second health bar over the original, instead of just acting as the one >and only health bar throughout the first 14 minutes and any damage it took carries over to it's weaker form? I sure as hell thought so!

The turret plating is just 1 healthbar btw. It just makes the current healthbar more tanky. They are tankier because the games ended way too quickly in season 8. Snowballing was way too much of a problem.

Marian Cross1 votes

still is. wish that they wold have made the plating a bar then have to tower with a health bar as well.

Oleandervine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legend Alpha ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKgm90Er,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-11-25T13:12:20.958+0000)

The turret plating is just 1 healthbar btw. It just makes the current healthbar more tanky. They are tankier because the games ended way too quickly in season 8. Snowballing was way too much of a problem.

The games don't actually last longer with Turret plating. Meddler said that the game length was unaffected, and even called it a good thing. I think they've clearly missed what people wanted when they asked for tankier turrets. We wanted longer games, not an artificially extended laning phase with extra gold for snowballing.

AetherArising13 votes

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Since when is preseason showing how the real season is going to be? I don't know for how long you've been playing league, but every preseason, everyone just fucks around and everytime the game is just a complete fiesta. Riot adds new stuff to the game, which is often completly overtuned. ######(Like DH right now). But it will be balanced soon enough. You'll never see a balanced game in preseason. You gotta wait for a month to have a normal league game again. So for now, you'll just have to embrace it.

oh sorry the entirety of season 8 called they want you to suck an egg.

Zoe The Loli XD5 votes

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Original Sin1 votes

how much?

Silverfang Blade3 votes

I play braindead juggernaut champs like Garen, Darius, and Mordekaiser because I LOVE being that fuck-off beatstick that won't die. If I DO die, it was because I played like a dumbass, pushed when I shouldn't have, tried bullying someone for turret plating money and got punched in the face by the baking class nerd, or everyone on the top half of the map flipped out because I'm only two kills and twenty CS ahead, so all three of them bounce my lane to go put my face in the dirt :/ Most of the games I've played lately have been the closest games I've ever played on League in the last few months. One game even, I was losing lane, but we stuck it out even though our base got cracked, and then we made some smart moves that we dominio'ed into crushing teamfights left right and center after that, which led to the enemy team surrendering even though they still technically could have had it.

I think DH DOES need a looking-at, just to figure out how to bring it down to acceptable levels, the turret plating gold needs to go down a little (100G sounds fair to me), and they need to make the other turrets beefier so they don't collapse after two Demolish AAs.

Other than that, I've been personally enjoying preseason so far. If it isn't your thing, try something different in-game, like a new champ or a new lane, or resign yourself that League is changing, and has to so it can stay relevant amongst all the Battle Royale and Blizzard garbage :/

Forhonor3211 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kelvyan Blade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKgm90Er,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-11-26T01:55:23.380+0000)

Other than that, I've been personally enjoying preseason so far. If it isn't your thing, try something different in-game, like a new champ or a new lane, or resign yourself that League is changing, and has to so it can stay relevant amongst all the Battle Royale and Blizzard garbage :/

If you manage to find joy in this preseason, then congrats to you, we clearly have different tastes on what we enjoy about the game.

And don't think I have been trying new things. I've tried playing champs I don't normally play and even have tried picking up mid. Still, I find the same issues that I constantly have with the games nowadays where most of them are just stops, damage is insane and turrets can still fall quickly if a lane is super successful.

As to League changing to stay relevant to Battle Royal, I just hate that statement. I hate this Battle Royal craze going on right now because everyone is trying to jump on it. The only two times I feel it's acceptable is in Battlerite (the original, not the actual Battle Royal game they came out with) and Nexus Blitz, and even then I'm still not a fan of that gametype. Say what you will about Blizzard but some of their games, like HotS, Diablo 2, and Warcraft 3, I think are great games (not going to defend Diablo Immortal, they can suffer for that one).

mack91122 votes

I'm really sorry to hear that personally I have found the preseason to be pretty great so far.

What is it about your perspective that is making you hate the game so much compared to me ?

I strongly do think though if you have it in your mind that you want to quit league then there really is nothing riot can do that will please you.

Forhonor3211 votes

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personally I have found the preseason to be pretty great so far.

Then great for you. You manage to find fun in League that I cannot anymore.

What is it about your perspective that is making you hate the game so much compared to me ?

It's mainly how we're coming out of possibly one of the worst seasons yet and yet preseason, where typically a lot of things are to change, are minimal and so it still feels like we're still in this last season.

Damage is insane still, almost to the point now where Riot feels it mandatory to make everyone just deal shit loads of damage, even tanks. the Dark Harvest rework feels far more obnoxious now with it easier to proc and making champs far more powerful than they should be (Pyke, Karthus for examples).

Turrests I though were getting a full secondary health bar that would make towers a bit tougher and make the laning phase longer. But Riot just made it so the health bar is just modified for the first 14 minutes of the game and when you take the turret down, you not only get gold for each segment gone, but also first turret blood, giving a ludicrous amount of gold (not to mention that turrets then still feel like nothing since some of my matches they've gone down in 10 minutes!)

And despite the ads for playing different things in this time, whenever my team seems to do so, the other team actually is a well built team or just has the better champs and constantly stomps me. I don't even dare trying anything ridiculous because of the sheer amount of times I've lost already, let alone my team flaming me for it.

It's just feels impossible for me to try and have fun in this game anymore. I feel it, every time that I play a match I must win to get something out of it. And when everything feels like a stomp nowadays, I just don't feel it's that well earned. And when it turns into a stomp against me, all I feel is frustration due to the listed issues above.

mack91121 votes

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Then great for you. You manage to find fun in League that I cannot anymore.

It's mainly how we're coming out of possibly one of the worst seasons yet and yet preseason, where typically a lot of things are to change, are minimal and so it still feels like we're still in this last season.

Damage is insane still, almost to the point now where Riot feels it mandatory to make everyone just deal shit loads of damage, even tanks. the Dark Harvest rework feels far more obnoxious now with it easier to proc and making champs far more powerful than they should be (Pyke, Karthus for examples).

Turrests I though were getting a full secondary health bar that would make towers a bit tougher and make the laning phase longer. But Riot just made it so the health bar is just modified for the first 14 minutes of the game and when you take the turret down, you not only get gold for each segment gone, but also first turret blood, giving a ludicrous amount of gold (not to mention that turrets then still feel like nothing since some of my matches they've gone down in 10 minutes!)

And despite the ads for playing different things in this time, whenever my team seems to do so, the other team actually is a well built team or just has the better champs and constantly stomps me. I don't even dare trying anything ridiculous because of the sheer amount of times I've lost already, let alone my team flaming me for it.

It's just feels impossible for me to try and have fun in this game anymore. I feel it, every time that I play a match I must win to get something out of it. And when everything feels like a stomp nowadays, I just don't feel it's that well earned. And when it turns into a stomp against me, all I feel is frustration due to the listed issues above.

We do exist In a game that is faster paced that small mistakes can cost you but personally I enjoy the pacing I will give my perspective on your other points.

When you look at the dark harvest changes as an example to hit the old 150 mark for that rune you need to hit 26 stacks with the new version and in my games I am seeing people with 12 to 15 stacks around the 25 minutes and to proc it you need to interact with your opponent which is in my opinion healthy.

Turret plating gives every lane an opportunity to win there lane as a lost lane dosnt collapse immediately.

The reason the turrets become so easy to kill after 14 minutes is because it is another comeback mechanic as the team behind can shoot them down quickly too in order to open the map up as that was always difficult prior.

If the game is frustrating you maybe your taste has changed ? I truly wish you saw the game as I did.

Karn Bishop1 votes

The pacing is a betrayal to the balance they used to stand for, league used to be about the macro play in a world where there were plenty of micro play options it was a god send for people who liked using strategys rather then response time as a metric for victory, it used to be i could go 1/7/2 as the jungler while also being the person who contributed most to our victory as a team because back before riots design shift it was possible to look bad on paper but be good in reality because their stats cannot track macro play.

Macro play is not very important to the game anymore and being skilled at it no longer guarantees you a fair chance at victory, i miss being able to buy time for my allies to carry out a sneaky baron or push up on a tower.

mack91122 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKgm90Er,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-26T23:45:14.993+0000)

The pacing is a betrayal to the balance they used to stand for, league used to be about the macro play in a world where there were plenty of micro play options it was a god send for people who liked using strategys rather then response time as a metric for victory, it used to be i could go 1/7/2 as the jungler while also being the person who contributed most to our victory as a team because back before riots design shift it was possible to look bad on paper but be good in reality because their stats cannot track macro play.

Macro play is not very important to the game anymore and being skilled at it no longer guarantees you a fair chance at victory, i miss being able to buy time for my allies to carry out a sneaky baron or push up on a tower.

Micro is your mechanical abilites, like skill shots, csing, kiting. Stuff like that. Macro is your game knowledge. When to baron, when to do objectives, figuring out where the enemy is, positioning on the map. I would argue that it is even more important than ever as objective control is a huge win condition in this game. The simple reality is that alot of people have become really good at there macro due to many veterans existing in this game so things like sneaking baron just dont work on people like they used to.

That is also why people find the game so hard to win because so many people have become really good at the game unlike the old days were the regular league players knowledge was far less and you could rely on being the most capable in your particular game if just knew a particular champ could solo dragon very early or the correct item path.

The game is simply harder and competetive nature drives that .

Karn Bishop1 votes

When objectives die faster then a team can reasonably respond to contest them it makes macro play pointless, take a tower or two while they are doing baron? they already killed it before you even have the tower down making the play attempt pointless, ect ect.

Damage is too high and objectives die too fast as a result which makes meaningful macro plays like knowing when to harass a team at baron so your ally can push towers moot, this is reflected in how poorly split pusher champions have been doing in general since they no longer can effectively split push.

I just don't agree with the assessment that macro play is still intact given some of the champions that rely upon it heavily are just outright trash and if macro play was still good that wouldn't be the case for these guys Singed Tryndamere Nasus and when the lords of macro play are struggling so much its safe to say macro play is NOT in a good spot.

mack91121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKgm90Er,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T16:26:03.733+0000)

When objectives die faster then a team can reasonably respond to contest them it makes macro play pointless, take a tower or two while they are doing baron? they already killed it before you even have the tower down making the play attempt pointless, ect ect.

Damage is too high and objectives die too fast as a result which makes meaningful macro plays like knowing when to harass a team at baron so your ally can push towers moot, this is reflected in how poorly split pusher champions have been doing in general since they no longer can effectively split push.

I just don't agree with the assessment that macro play is still intact given some of the champions that rely upon it heavily are just outright trash and if macro play was still good that wouldn't be the case for these guys Singed Tryndamere Nasus and when the lords of macro play are struggling so much its safe to say macro play is NOT in a good spot.

I don't agree man the game pace is faster than previous seasons I'm not arguing so your room for error has no margin but absolutely macro play exists and is important.

The game is simply harder.

Karn Bishop1 votes

Its not the right kind of harder in my opinion, dark souls are hard and challenging games because they punish you for a mistake but a mistake is not necessarily a lost fight just one that puts you at a disadvantage, in league a single mistake straight up kills you now and i guess a comparison to that would be if smash made a change where if you fell outside the ring you were no longer allowed to recover and it feels like riot has removed that feature.

I know you might not like to hear it but if i wanted to play a game where one mistake meant i lost i would go play a competitive FPS, like it or not league built itself on a base of players who don't like being instantly deleted for a single mistake, add to that you could often see what the mistake was due to how spread out the damage was in all classes besides assassins and it let players learn from their mistakes better then any other game which was why league is so popular in part.

mack91121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKgm90Er,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T16:48:48.084+0000)

Its not the right kind of harder in my opinion, dark souls are hard and challenging games because they punish you for a mistake but a mistake is not necessarily a lost fight just one that puts you at a disadvantage, in league a single mistake straight up kills you now and i guess a comparison to that would be if smash made a change where if you fell outside the ring you were no longer allowed to recover and it feels like riot has removed that feature.

I know you might not like to hear it but if i wanted to play a game where one mistake meant i lost i would go play a competitive FPS, like it or not league built itself on a base of players who don't like being instantly deleted for a single mistake, add to that you could often see what the mistake was due to how spread out the damage was in all classes besides assassins and it let players learn from their mistakes better then any other game which was why league is so popular in part.

But one mistake on now way means you lost unless you threw at Baron or some relatable to that especially with the comeback mechanics introduced this pre season.

I have turned many games over the last few days even after some pretty bad early game mistakes because of the comeback mechanics.

Karn Bishop1 votes

Well maybe they should just release League of legends Classic edition that makes use of the philosophy from season 5 and brings back iconic champions like old eve then see which version of the games more popular.

mack91121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKgm90Er,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T17:04:55.661+0000)

Well maybe they should just release League of legends Classic edition that makes use of the philosophy from season 5 and brings back iconic champions like old eve then see which version of the games more popular.

I don't understand how that is an argument.

A legacy mode exists third party if you wish to go play that . It's so popular right ?

Karn Bishop1 votes

It's not a classic version they make random changes all the time.

mack91121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HKgm90Er,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-27T17:38:10.607+0000)

It's not a classic version they make random changes all the time.

So you want the game to remain at a particular patch that YOU think is the best ?

Karn Bishop1 votes

?? i literally mean they make random changes like increasing or decreasing a ratio that was never changed in that season, though its a mute point since they aren't yet functional as a game yet.

mack91121 votes

I mean season 5 is almost 4 years ago what point in that season do u like.

Rαy1 votes

I feel you. If League does not change significantly until pre-season ends, I already decided to pack my bags as well. After six years of playing.

I endured twelve months of utter frustration and can not take the shitshow my former favorite game has become anymore. I loved this game with all my heart before season 8 turned it into this braindead oneshot-fiesta. It is mindblowing what kind of unstoppable force is keeping Riot from reverting this pile of garbage. I guess it is the Chinese internet café scene and Tencent demanding to stay with unsatisfying, brainless twenty-minute oneshot fiestas.

It's okay, Riot. Just let it die already. End its suffering. Not that this game holds years of beautiful memories and feelings. It's not like you are destroying a completely legit hobby of people that gave them goals to achieve, new friends to meet, endless hours of fun. Yes, I am thankful for that. It was free after all. I was so thankful, I spent thousands of Euros on this game, sometimes just to show my gratitude.

Before turning the gaming love of my life into this abomination, just kill her already.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

I mean, this is fair. Sure, you're not a fan of the Pre-season at the moment, which is completely fair, but you're not damning it to the not-even-full-patch that it's yet to have. You're taking it as a notion of things to come, rather than a final product, saying that if this is how it continues to be, you'll be more than disappointed and likely call it quits.

That's a helluva lot more than all the other posts have been giving.

Forhonor3211 votes

To an extent, yes. I really hope that what I'm seeing in this preseason isn't what we'll get as the final result. But as it is right now, it still feels like I'm in Season 8 only with minor changes. I' still hoping that damage will go down and games become less snowball-related/stomps.

But if it doesn't, then I might as well quit since I probably can't put up with another year of the same shit. Like I said, I want to like League again, but with it's current state it's hard for me to do that.

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