10 Champs over 1000 days w/o a new skin

Forhonor321··44 votes·18,835 views

Right, it's been a while, I'm currently in England for Study Abroad, but that's not stopping me from keeping track of this stuff. And, to a degree, I do believe we've made some good progress the last time I posted one of these.

The list is as follows:

Udyr - 1325 days Skarner Xerath - 1299 days Zilean - 1285 days Shaco Mordekaiser - 1275 days RekSai - 1240 days Aatrox - 1212 days Nunu - 1138 days Kassadin - 1128 days

Champs within the 100 day limit: Maokai Velkoz TahmKench - 959 days Sion - 946 days Nocturne - 925 days Shyvana Kindred - 904 days

(Lissandra would be on this list but her new skin is coming out soon)


Now, this is merely for data and the view of time, as I always say. Champs that are very outdated and need updates, such as Mord, should generally be avoided for new skins until they are updated. However, there could be special cases to add skins to aged champs such as Fiddlesticks. Not saying that this is guaranteed to happen to those champs, but it's plausible. As well, champs that are currently being reworked or have been reworked now, such as Kayle & Morgana or Aatrox, should be looked at for receiving new skins as they will be up to date in terms of rigging, models, etc.

And, because there will always be that one person, I'm going to make this clear on my standpoint:** A VGU/champ rework does not mean the champ has received new skins!** It does not add any new skin to their roster, it only updates their pre-existing skins. E.G. Aatrox was generally reworked to have a near identical look to his original form and most of his skins are pratically, if not, identical to what they were before. Are there any skins that are added to his roster that were not there before his rework? No. Urgot was updated and his Crabgot skin was changed to fit a different theme from B-movie monster film to Pacific Rim/Kaiju theme. Was the theme changed slightly? Yes. Did this actually change how many skins he had before his rework? NO!

VGUs are generally going to change the aesthetic and look of the base champ and in turn that's going to affect how their other skins will look, it's basically a fucking redesign. That does not mean that you can say "oh, these are just their new skins!" Stop! It doesn't! It's a redesign to fit better with the new direction the champ has taken. Nothing new was added to their skin line that stands out from what they already had. I'm sick of people trying to say this so I'm putting my foot down and trying to make this clear as possible.


OK, rant out of the way, I'm happy that we've gotten some of the higher tier candidates off the list. BUT, at the same time, it's concerning on the number of champs that have made it into the 100 day limit. I really do hope that some of those champs can be considered for skins sometime 'cause I don't want the 1000 days list to start growing again.

Thoughts? Opinions? Discuss them down below. I need to start on some assignments before they're due in the next few weeks.

74 Comments

Arcade Lulu15 votes

I feel like 959 days is incorrect for maokai because he got a skin pretty much 2 years ago

Forhonor3217 votes

If you're referring to his Victorious skin, I don't count those. I only count skins that are generally obtainable by purchases, crafting or even gems. Limited time or limited skins in general, like the Prestige Kai'Sa skin or Victorious skins, I don't count as not everyone can be able to access them.

With that, Maokai's last skin was with Tahm's and Vel'koz's last skins, which were the April Fools day skins of 2016. Using a calculator for dates, it's 959 days since then.

Arcade Lulu2 votes

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If you're referring to his Victorious skin, I don't count those. I only count skins that are generally obtainable by purchases, crafting or even gems. Limited time or limited skins in general, like the Prestige Kai'Sa skin or Victorious skins, I don't count as not everyone can be able to access them.

With that, Maokai's last skin was with Tahm's and Vel'koz's last skins, which were the April Fools day skins of 2016. Using a calculator for dates, it's 959 days since then.

Oh ok

and it's pretty understandable why you don't count those skins

FNC 6ixGOD1 votes

Prestige KDA Kai'sa is purchaseable though. You just have to spend a lot of RP on boxes and world tickets to get it.

Forhonor3212 votes

But after it's gone, it's then gone and nobody else can get it if they missed it. Hence why it's limited.

FNC 6ixGOD1 votes

So are world skins, christmas skins and any other theme skins, but I would still count them as a legit skin.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

Doesnt worlds skins come back along with championship ones during worlds?

FNC 6ixGOD1 votes

Yeahh

Forhonor3211 votes

Those are Legacy skins, NOT LIMITED! Legacy are skins locked away from normal means but can still be obtained through crafting, or even some purchases, like when a champ gets updated. Other Legacy skins related to the holidays will always come back around that time and, again, can be earned through crafting.

Limited skins are non of that! You get one chance to get this skin and if you don't, you can't ever get those skins again. Rusty Blitzcrank, Victorious skins and Prestige KDA Kai'Sa are limited, so if you didn't get them and times runs out, tough luck, you can't get them at all anymore.

EdgeLady1 votes

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Those are Legacy skins, NOT LIMITED! Legacy are skins locked away from normal means but can still be obtained through crafting, or even some purchases, like when a champ gets updated. Other Legacy skins related to the holidays will always come back around that time and, again, can be earned through crafting.

Limited skins are non of that! You get one chance to get this skin and if you don't, you can't ever get those skins again. Rusty Blitzcrank, Victorious skins and Prestige KDA Kai'Sa are limited, so if you didn't get them and times runs out, tough luck, you can't get them at all anymore.

Won't Prestige K/DA Kai'Sa be coming back as a gemstone skin? I heard rumors about that for both that skin and Dark Star Cho'Gath.

Regarding the Victorious skins, I think that there should be a future event where they allow the previous Victorious skins to be bought for a very limited time (maybe for the 10th year anniversary, as a once-per-decade event). Like, imagine all the current Jarvan mains that can't complete their skin collection because they didn't happen to be around in Season 1. And me, as a Graves main, only started League late last year, so I have no chance of ever getting that glorious knight Graves skin. Perhaps it could be true for other limited skins too, like Rusty Blitzcrank as you mentioned, or other ones like King Rammus and PAX Twisted Fate.

Forhonor3211 votes

I doubt Prestige KDA Kai'Sa will come back as a gemstone. Cho'Gath wasn't really a limited skin, it was a skin made in partnership with the Make-A-Wish foundation and Bryan, the guy who wanted it. It was available for purchase with processed going to charity essentially. After this, they decided to make it a gemstone skin to still allow players access it.

Limited implies that there's only a handful of that product that can be distributed or obtained through a certain time frame. After they're all gone or the timer runs out, then it can no longer be obtained. If what you say about the skin is true, then it isn't truly limited, but Riot has stated that it is.

As to the Victorious skins, I have to disagree on and Riot will also disagree. Victorious skins are a reward you get for climbing the ladder in league to a certain point. It's something you earn. If Riot was going to allow these skins to be purchasable, then those that got them from Season 1+ would feel ripped as climbing for these skins didn't matter if they could just purchase them in the future and would seriously degrade the value of these skins of just "wait a certain time to buy them with no feeling of accomplishment" rather than, "I'm climbed at least to gold and get a reward for my progress."

Similarly, this goes for Rusty Blitz, King Rammus and PAX TF. Rammus you got as a beta tester, PAX you got for being at that special event and Rusty Blitz...was just a really bad skin that they decided to get rid of since it's basically the equivalent of a chroma back then. However, Riot has made some exceptions to this in a degree, mainly with slightly tweaked versions of those skins (E.G. Championship Riven 2016, Neo PAX Sivir). It's plausible (but not fully possible) for Riot to try this with these other skins while keeping the originals what they are, but seeing how they haven't done this for quite some time and that I can't see how they could do that with these skins, I doubt that can happen.

KFCeytron6 votes

Companies don't produce content based on a sense of fairness to their product lines ("this poor screwdriver has had the same packaging for years!"), they produce content based on what sells.

Forhonor32111 votes

Yes, this is (sadly) true. But at the same time you can't really expect a company to ignore a playerbase of mains for so long. Sooner or later, they have to give them something to make them happy.

KFCeytron2 votes

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Yes, this is (sadly) true. But at the same time you can't really expect a company to ignore a playerbase of mains for so long. Sooner or later, they have to give them something to make them happy.

Nope. They can ignore a tiny percentage of their customers forever. They don't have to give those players something to make them happy. Looking at sales figures at the end of each month/quarter, it's very difficult to justify working on anything but Ahri/Jinx/etc. skins.

floo5 votes

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Nope. They can ignore a tiny percentage of their customers forever.

Isn't that the argument everyone uses for gamebalance? Only balance around the best players?

Dorans Pants1 votes

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Companies don't produce content based on a sense of fairness to their product lines ("this poor screwdriver has had the same packaging for years!"), they produce content based on what sells.

I would think that most people are aware of that. It´s just that the divide between "promoted to no end" and "put on life-support" has become so wide, that people just beg riot to throw them a bone.

And the fact that this has come to the point where my main hasn´t received a skin in like 3 years and probably won´t get one in the next 3 if at all is just sad.

Even5 votes

These are champs that could be possibly getting a rework! :)

GrReaper962 votes

Only Shaco is top tier VGU

Udyr Mordekaiser Skarner Nocturne just need small updates and tweaks

The rest are ok

Even15 votes

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Only Shaco is top tier VGU

Udyr Mordekaiser Skarner Nocturne just need small updates and tweaks

The rest are ok

Morde is top tier VGU, Riot repeatedly says they want to VGU nocturne, I hope you are right about Shaco.

gerbe7 votes

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Only Shaco is top tier VGU

Udyr Mordekaiser Skarner Nocturne just need small updates and tweaks

The rest are ok

all the champions you listed are tier 1 for a vgu

Kalikko2 votes

I wasn't aware zilean didn't have the lead.

Not to mention he's been in the top 3 for w/l all season mid. . .and up there most of the season as support.

He was even played at worlds this year.

Forhonor3218 votes

It's kind of surprising when you do this work and see a champ go so long without a skin. Hell, I remembered when he got Blood Moon released. It's...weird.

HungryAngry2SPP2 votes

My opinion: Many of the champs above have enough / good quality skins. Baking off skins just for the sake of having one once a year is stupid.

QMighty6 votes

Over 1000 days means ~3 years

ModJango Mage3 votes

I mean, all the popular champions have enough skins already as well, but they dont go without skin every year or two. Why cant these champs receive this treatment?

Summonah123692 votes

Just give Kindred a skin already pls.

ChuShoe2 votes

I'd count a VGU is a new skin release.

Forhonor3212 votes

Then that is you. I still stand by myself in saying that they don't count.

Ionian Vulpix2 votes

They haven't been out as long as others champs, but Taliyah and Ivern haven't gotten new skins yet, even though champs that came after them already have. Yes, Taliyah has SSG, but that was at the request of the player.

Forhonor3212 votes

My post is more about the distance of time between a champs skin and when their latest one was. What you're referring to is more newer champs that have yet to receive their next skin outside of their launch skin. And if that is the topic, Kalista I feel out-trumps both Taliyah & Ivern as she's been out for 4 years and has yet to receive a non-Esports related skin. Not saying the other two don't deserve similar, but Kalista has had it far worse.

Spooky Skeleton2 votes

Urgot had to wait 6 years and his skin wasn't even that good.

Forhonor3212 votes

Well, I wouldn't say it was a terrible skin, at the very least I feel it's decent. But in terms of quality after not getting one for so long, I would say it did feel lackluster.

Agent Corgi2 votes

Mordekaiser Mordekaiser, UdyrUdyr, Skarner Skarner, and Nocturne Nocturne are all considered Tier-1 VGU's according to Reav3. As such, they most likely won't be recieving any cosmetic love for a while (Ezreal DID get a skin just months before his update, so this is why I'm not saying these champions won't recieve anything period).

Shaco Shaco dropped down & although he is still considered to be a VGU candidate, he's dropped down in priority. In that case, I can see Shaco getting a skin at some point. They're even taking the time to give him new animations for walking & homeguards.

Has it really been that long since Aatrox Aatrox & KassadinKassadin recieved a skin? Sea Hunter Aatrox & Cosmic Reaver Kassadin don't seem THAT old.

Forhonor3213 votes

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Mordekaiser Mordekaiser, UdyrUdyr, Skarner Skarner, and Nocturne Nocturne are all considered Tier-1 VGU's according to Reav3. As such, they most likely won't be recieving any cosmetic love for a while (Ezreal DID get a skin just months before his update, so this is why I'm not saying these champions won't recieve anything period).

I did mention that old champs like these are generally not going to get skins until they receive a VGU, unless they get the special treatment that Fiddlesticks got. Ezreal I don't really feel counts since by community standards LCS/Esports related skins typically don't count towards the actual skin lineup a champ has (which I don't fully agree with but whatever).

Shaco Shaco dropped down & although he is still considered to be a VGU candidate, he's dropped down in priority. In that case, I can see Shaco getting a skin at some point. They're even taking the time to give him new animations for walking & homeguards.

Shaco, again, could be a special case like Fiddle. Not really sure if the animations count towards that though as they're more or less taking batches of champs and updating their animations.

Has it really been that long since Aatrox Aatrox & KassadinKassadin recieved a skin? Sea Hunter Aatrox & Cosmic Reaver Kassadin don't seem THAT old.

Yes, it's been that long. And I was around when these champs got those skins back in 2015. It's weird.

L Rayquaza2 votes

Sea Hunter Aatrox came out during Burning Tides with Gangplank VGU and right before Illaoi.....holy shit it has been 2 years

Agent Corgi1 votes

That's insane, where did the time all go?

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø1 votes

Hey man, just to say RiotStellari is taking shaco skin concepts at the moment so mabye a shaco skin in 2-3 months?

Forhonor3211 votes

Really? Huh, well how about that.

Baa Woof1 votes

I just really dislike that the Super Galaxy skin line exist, since it is just a forced skin line to those champions who atleast has 2 forms, or a companion. So they don't really fit on some champions, like Kindred. Why would death join a Super Galactic Heroes group? I'm not saying that I'm not happy, cause atleast it's a skin, but I think it's never gonna be the most liked one and there could have been a much better skin made for them (Like Elderwood or Bloodmoon).

Forhonor3211 votes

One can hope that Elderwood or Bloodmoon will come for them. I mean, I know I'd buy those skins.

Deathhawk8881 votes

Strange Sion doesn’t have a new skin by now, he’s been super popular in Soloq and pro play

Frostfel1 votes

Sad to say but Mordekaiser will not get a new skin until his VGU which could take anyway from 1 year (not on road-map) - forever, and I'm guessing thats mostly because Riot doesn't know how to re-make Morde.

EdgeLady1 votes

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Sad to say but Mordekaiser will not get a new skin until his VGU which could take anyway from 1 year (not on road-map) - forever, and I'm guessing thats mostly because Riot doesn't know how to re-make Morde.

The current roadmap only goes until about March (the likely time when the new Demacian champion will come out), so it's very possible that Mordekaiser could be the next thing after that. Although there's also the possibility that they'll wait until Halloween/the Harrowing.

Monstermushmush1 votes

All these champs aren't play much except Aatrox. Rito only make da skins for da champs people play a lot.

Metallikaiser1 votes

Man I cant wait to see what they come up with for my boy Morde and Xerath. Very excited to see what they come up with for both. Especially Xerath who is pretty unique in terms of his model and the like.

Then some skin ideas here. Kassadin I would really like to see more Chem Tech skins, and I think Kassadin fits perfectly.

Aatrox Aatrox as an armored up medieval looking warrior, hopefully one that makes him look like his pre darkin body. And thus make him a bit more of an animal whether he is more of a bat thing or bird man.

Zilean God clock Zilean is just a cool little idea I had in my name that I thought would be a funny spin on the set to add a support to it. Alternatively I would like Three pointer Zilean. A basketball skin to join Dunkmaster Darius. His ult sign could be water bottles, his bombs that are basketballs should make a swish sound when you land the stun, his speed boost should have the squicky sneaker sound, and ofcourse the giant clock on his back is a scoreboard!

Zoli Ben1 votes

As DrMundo enters 901 days, he has new Xmas skin coming up so no VGU in 2019.

Forhonor3211 votes

Like I said, some champs may get a special treatment like Fiddlesticks where they get a skin, despite how old or in need of a VGU they are.

Kind of surprised with Mundo to be honest.

Jaspers1 votes

I'm bumbing this thread because honestly, seeing the winter skins we are getting, this scenario is a little sad.

Yi's 3rd skin in 2 years, Soraka is getting like an enhanced Chroma thing this patch too.

Mordekaiserˉ1 votes

Give Mordekaiser some love...

Forhonor3211 votes

Mord needs a VGU before anything else. That alone is some love to him.

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