I'm seeing Sightstone being bought less and less. Upgrading a yellow trinket gives a support equally as good ward coverage and frees up the item spot for something much more useful than +200hp. I think the Sightstone needs a buff. Maybe allow 5 wards to be placed, but only if you have a Sightstone? Or three vision wards? It's just not worth it when you can upgrade your trinket and get a locket instead.
Rebel Xayah6 votesWhen I'm support, I always buy Sightstone + Sweeper. It's not only about getting vision, but it's about denying vision too.
Krigjer3 votes[{quoted}](name=Princess Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HBtoFljq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-05-05T10:45:38.297+0000)
When I'm support, I always buy Sightstone + Sweeper. It's not only about getting vision, but it's about denying vision too.
This. I tried just upgrading my trinket and replacing sightstone with something else, but having sweeper is too valuable.
Shogunai1 votesAgreed
ZeeDrakon3 votessweeper is too good to pass, also pre lvl 9 you'd be fked and it sometimes takes quite long for a support to get lvl 9...
The Queen Viper2 votesYou should always get a Sightstone + Sweeper when you are a support.
Yellow trinket is not good on a support, nor enough.
Jxi1 votesYou should always get a Sightstone + Sweeper when you are a support.
Yellow trinket is not good on a support, nor enough.
If you always do something in this game then honestly (and don't flip out about this) your opinion means the square root of FA. This game is completely situational and while you can "almost always" do something, "always" is too much.
The Queen Viper3 votesSightstone + Sweeper are never "situational" as long as you are playing a support.
They are your core items, and your first items you should be buying in the first place. The earlier you get them, the better you can secure/control your lane and Drake for your team.
Jxi2 votesSightstone + Sweeper are never "situational" as long as you are playing a support.
They are your core items, and your first items you should be buying in the first place. The earlier you get them, the better you can secure/control your lane and Drake for your team.
Every single item is situational.
Hell, even boots are situational. Sometimes it's better to sell them.
The Queen Viper1 votesEvery single item is situational.
No, not really. There are no situations where you shouldn't have a Sightstone and a Sweeper when you are playing as a Support. Zero. Nada.
Again, they are your core items. If you ever want to get out of Bronze, I suggest that you start playing this game properly and stop this nonsense.
{quoted} Hell, even boots are situational. Sometimes it's better to sell them.
That's not entirely true, since people tend to just replace them with other Movement Speed items, such as Zephyr.
Jxi1 votesNo, not really. There are no situations where you shouldn't have a Sightstone and a Sweeper when you are playing as a Support. Zero. Nada.
Again, they are your core items. If you ever want to get out of Bronze, I suggest that you start playing this game properly and stop this nonsense.
That's not entirely true, since people tend to just replace them with other Movement Speed items, such as Zephyr.
Wrong. Every single item is situational.
I don't support. As you'll notice, in the very first sentence, I said "I'm seeing Sightstone being bought less and less".
I've got a few accounts, one in plat and one in gold. Trying to grind this one up. Thought it would be fun, it isn't really.
ZephyrDrake1 votesIf you always do something in this game then honestly (and don't flip out about this) your opinion means the square root of FA. This game is completely situational and while you can "almost always" do something, "always" is too much.
sorry to say this but getting vision and denying vision is something you ALWAYS want to do in EVERY SINGLE game. There is no "this game we might not need the extra vision" or "this game denying vision is dumb" both are very basic things that you need to have in the game if you want to win. Can you win without them? sure you can, but you are making your life a lot harder by having to facecheck every single little brush or going through enemy territory without knowing whether or not they see you or taking an objective like Dragon and Baron blindly hoping the enemy has no vision of it
Photos of Ghosts1 votesMake it with different paths, and all recharging.
Rebel Xayah1 votesinb4 lee sin is suddenly op and nobody knows why.
Jxi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Princess Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HBtoFljq,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-05-05T10:54:31.156+0000)
inb4 lee sin is suddenly op and nobody knows why.
Could be untargetable wards, like you get with the blue trinket.
Rebel Xayah1 votesLee Sin normally buys Sightstone and he does ward jumps anyway. Riot wouldn't want to remove that. What I'm referring to is the greater resistances, a bigger shield due to AP, extra tankiness and AS that will go onto Lee Sin when he inevitably buys Sighstone. That would be an incredible indirect buff to Lee Sin. That along with extra vision buffs would make Lee Sin pretty powerful.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesI meant one of those obviously, not all of those. Different paths like for the jungling item.
Jxi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Princess Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HBtoFljq,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-05T11:01:40.063+0000)
Lee Sin normally buys Sightstone and he does ward jumps anyway. Riot wouldn't want to remove that. What I'm referring to is the greater resistances, a bigger shield due to AP, extra tankiness and AS that will go onto Lee Sin when he inevitably buys Sighstone. That would be an incredible indirect buff to Lee Sin. That along with extra vision buffs would make Lee Sin pretty powerful.
In which case there are two options:
Sightstone carries and allows you to place more than one vision ward. Lee Sin gets nerfed.
Obviously, Lee doesn't really need nerfing.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesInb4 Lee has a bad kit already.
ElysMustache1 votesPlayed a 44 min game yesterday and had the upgraded trinket as mid-lane. I put down 27 wards. Support with Sightstone put down 39. Enemy jungle (Lee Sin) with Sightstone put down 25.
Colgate Gator1 votesIt's your call, I guess, but the SIghtstone+Sweeper is too good of a vision power combination to let it pass up for a "free item spot" which, unless the game drags on or you're straight out carrying your team (or stealing kills :p) won't fill that often.
Also, boots aren't exactly situational, save for AD's selling it for Zephyr, but now that's a situational scenario.
Jxi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Postal Badger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HBtoFljq,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-05-05T14:35:39.994+0000)
It's your call, I guess, but the SIghtstone+Sweeper is too good of a vision power combination to let it pass up for a "free item spot" which, unless the game drags on or you're straight out carrying your team (or stealing kills :p) won't fill that often.
Also, boots aren't exactly situational, save for AD's selling it for Zephyr, but now that's a situational scenario.
Completely proved my point there.
Miku Lv991 votesSightstone is required on a support. Your team should have lots of sweeper and your sightstone and the rest of the team should buy more wards, too. The vision battle is one of the most important battles in the game and denying your ability to attack the enemy in it is totally not worth it.