Make Shyvana's ult stun anyone in hit by her during flight for 1 second

Fadedpf··24 votes·2,002 views

I love Shyvana, she has good wave clear and dueling potential but lacks utility massively. A tiny knockback doesnt cut it even a tiny 1 second stun that could stun 1,2 or 3 people would give her good potential to stick to enemies and be a decent-er engager.

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mi ramfan9 votes

Shyvana fan here, I agree that Shyvana needs buffs but giving her hard CC is not the answer. Instead of covering up Shyvana's weaknesses (which just homogenizes her), we should be making her do the things she already does well better.

Currently, Shyvana is a champion who can be viable without squeezing anyone else out, because she has the damage of a bruiser and the bulk of a tank without the CC brought by both of the other two examples. Giving her CC would confuse her niche with the bruisers, forcing her to compete with them. While this change would make her easier to balance against the other bruisers, it would also inevitably lead to Shyvana being marginalized; when both Shyvana and J4 bring strong hard initiation, but it takes 6 seconds of sticking to an enemy for Shyvana to outdamage J4 (which will never happen in today's meta), why pick Shyvana?

The correct route to making Shyvana viable-hell, to making most junglers viable in the current metagame, is niche-based balancing. By making Shyvana the best champion in the game at one specific thing, we ensure that she'll always be viable without pushing anyone else out. In Shyvana's case, her most notable attribute is her combination of bulk and damage in Dragon form. The best way to make her more powerful without making her encroach on any other junglers' space is to increase her bulk in Dragon form. It's not hidden power because the cause is incredibly obvious: you're fighting a motherfucking dragon.

Increasing Shyvana's bulk further while maintaining her current amounts of damage would carve her a niche as a different sort of tank. Sejuani, Nautilus, and Amumu are all meant to draw focus using their large amounts of sustained crowd control. Shyvana, on the other hand, should draw focus from the enemy using her extremely high damage potential and being a motherfucking dragon.

Fadedpf1 votes

1 second inst hard CC... and it is a skill shot, kinda

mi ramfan4 votes

Hard CCs are defined by their effects, not their duration. Otherwise we'd have to say that Nautilus's ultimate is not a hard CC, since its knockup only lasts 1 second. And whether it's a skillshot or not doesn't really matter here.

I'd just rather see Shyvana get better at the things she's already supposed to be good at than risk balance problems by covering up her weaknesses.

Syn Zykan1 votes

upvoted op and this post, just to hopefully get this post noticed.. I agree with this 100%

Celeste Benal2 votes

Agreed. Shyv is a giant frickin' beast! What about giving her some sort of size increase like Chogath? Add a passive on her Q that stacks with every kill, and gives her extra HP per stack.

Also, why on earth does her ult do AP damage on landing? Maybe it should do damage based on her own HP. Flaming dragon lands on you for squashing damage. This would synergize really well with an HP-stacking passive on her Q. This would also give her counterplay in the form of HP-shredding items like item 3153 .

Shyvanna has wings. Why can she not fly in that form? Change her W in dragon form to a jump, leap, or other gap closer that lets her go over walls. Yes, her ult already does this. But lets face it. That's not a reliable gap closer. Its a one-shot "Surprise! Flaming buttsecks!" initiate/escape on a hella long cooldown.

Leave her human form W alone. It works fine.

exiledFromBadmen1 votes

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Agreed. Shyv is a giant frickin' beast! What about giving her some sort of size increase like Chogath? Add a passive on her Q that stacks with every kill, and gives her extra HP per stack.

Also, why on earth does her ult do AP damage on landing? Maybe it should do damage based on her own HP. Flaming dragon lands on you for squashing damage. This would synergize really well with an HP-stacking passive on her Q. This would also give her counterplay in the form of HP-shredding items like item 3153 .

Shyvanna has wings. Why can she not fly in that form? Change her W in dragon form to a jump, leap, or other gap closer that lets her go over walls. Yes, her ult already does this. But lets face it. That's not a reliable gap closer. Its a one-shot "Surprise! Flaming buttsecks!" initiate/escape on a hella long cooldown.

Leave her human form W alone. It works fine.

This.

NukeMutant2 votes

Shyvanna's ult can be used to stop and push back other players moves. Vi's dash for example. I feel that is utility enough.

A Wise Fool4 votes

agreed

ImpossibleGT3 votes

She already has a pull on her ultimate, she doesn't really need a stun. They just need to clean up the pull so it works more reliably every time. Sometimes you land right on someone and they still get knocked away from you and sometimes you drag their entire team but they barely get nudged. It's silly.

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She already has a pull on her ultimate, she doesn't really need a stun. They just need to clean up the pull so it works more reliably every time. Sometimes you land right on someone and they still get knocked away from you and sometimes you drag their entire team but they barely get nudged. It's silly.

^ White Knight as arrived.

Sir ArmaMalum2 votes

Very popular idea, a stun or some form of CC on her ult and something I wouldn't mind seeing myself.

Dreadlocks1 votes

I always thought a slow on her E would be kinda cool

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I always thought a slow on her E would be kinda cool

This and a stun. I mean she should be greatly rewarded!

Maximum Zilean2 votes

Giving her ult a more reliable form of CC would be perfect without going overboard to be honest.

Giving a slow on her E might be pushing it if both changes were added, she is already an amazing early game duelist, giving that slow would make her OP early game.

Its one of those "One or the other" not both situations.

Dreadlocks1 votes

What

Fadedpf1 votes

Anyone hit by shyvanas ult will be stunned, which is a "flight" thing, I didnt know how to explain it

Skia Asteri1 votes

Let her stun if she slams enemies into a wall.

BlackTh0ughtz1 votes

Her dragon form needs a rework. I would still suggest a high aoe damage dealer when she goes to dragon form. It just feels so underwhelming and should be a more damage oriented gnar transformation.

Marenjii1 votes

Sure that'll fix her problem without causing more. Slap CC into her kit! As the Shy main above said why not make her better at what she does do, rather than making up for a weakness?

Lajinn51 votes

It would be nice if they could at least fix her ult so that it actually dragged people like it was supposed to

meatjunjun1 votes

Either this or I wish her E slowed the enemy. It's a skillshot and there's so many other champs with a similar ability that slows, so why not Shyvana?

I don't like how all the enemy needs to do is walk away to get away from her, as her W doesn't help prolonged chases. Especially now since many champs have a form of dash.

MTempty1 votes

Balance-wise, this is a nightmare. She already has a fantastic speedboost coupled with a mix of hybrid damage and % hp damage. Sure she has a tough time sticking to targets but adding a stun would break her because it would mean that you are eating a majority of her combo BEFORE you can retaliate. Giving Shyvanna a surefire way to get her entire combo off would cause people to play her as a tanky assassin (see lee with his W->E--E>Q-R-Q combo). It also treads on the toes of another tanky top laner who can/was able to cc 2-3 people at a time in a line. Shen

meatjunjun1 votes

I feel like her speed boost isn't enough to keep up with anybody. Shyvana was the first champ I bought because she looked so badass, then I noticed that I could never catch anyone if they chose to run away.

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