Can Varus get "Grounded" on his E

TragicDeathFade·Jul 17, 2016·132 votes·4,863 views

I feel like this could be what Varus really needs. I dont think asking his slow to be kept on the E is too much to ask for but if they have to remove anything to compensate for giving him grounded then i'm all for it, if you think about it this fits his kit extremely well.

Edit: I see alot of post so i thought i would add more of my own thoughts. Varus is a very niche adc, he works well with hard engage and people who can peel for him like a leona but my problem with him is he seems almost unable to remain in a fight if situations are not perfect. Tons of adc can tilt a fight back in favor by re-positioning, Varus does not have this option, if they want his kit to be lock down adc that's what they should make him.

140 Comments

MartyrofsandJul 17, 20167 votes

I think he should, and it fits I mean really how are you going to quickly dash with a hail of arrows pinning your feet to the ground?

TyrekGoldenspearJul 17, 20163 votes

Becuase it hurts so much?

R FLASH XDJul 17, 20162 votes

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I think he should, and it fits I mean really how are you going to quickly dash with a hail of arrows pinning your feet to the ground?

The arrows also pierce your head so technically shouldn't they instakill you?

BârdJul 17, 20165 votes

Excuse me?

We are playing League of Legends.

A game in which Miss Fortune, who has GUNS, has lower base AD than Zilean, who throws gears (or popcorn).

We don't have "logic" here.

(Blah blah blah "She actually does damage with her autos though", LET ME MEME)

MelledoneusJul 17, 20162 votes

Shen, a tanky ninja with nearless limitless stamina who fights armies of spirits and soldiers for a living, has lower base HP than a large-breasted musician who has had no combat or strength/resistance training, and is possibly the physically weakest in the game.

TheOvermindJul 17, 20167 votes

Sounds like an excellent candidate

JerulEonJul 17, 20167 votes

Good idea. He doesn't have any escapes so seems fair and allows him to aa for the W passive.

Bladerunner7777Jul 17, 20166 votes

Varus' kit doesn't make sense as it is

Also: "Riot why can't we have grounded on x, y, and z? C'mon Riot it would make so much sense!!!!!1"

Why can't Cassiopeia have a unique status effect?

PhDs NutsJul 17, 201627 votes

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Varus' kit doesn't make sense as it is

Also: "Riot why can't we have grounded on x, y, and z? C'mon Riot it would make so much sense!!!!!1"

Why can't Cassiopeia have a unique status effect?

She does. If you're poisoned she fucks you up.

QuephaJul 17, 20163 votes

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She does. If you're poisoned she fucks you up.

Twitch and Teemo can apply the same effect on enemies. "If this is on you, Cassiopeia will fuck you up"

B1naryB0tJul 17, 20163 votes

Twitch poison actually doesn't count. But Singed poison does.

RenascentJul 17, 20162 votes

Unless they changed it during the MYMU, Cassiopeia E should still be affected by Twitch's poison. Even though they do not have the same poison symbol, Twitch's poison still counts.

Copy pasted from League wiki:

Twin Fang's bonus damage and healing will also trigger on the following Poison icon poisons. Gift of the Toadstool.png Gift of the Toadstool Poison Trail.png Poison Trail Noxious Trap.png Noxious Trap Toxic Shot.png Toxic Shot Deadly Venom.png Deadly Venom

JQKAndreiJul 17, 20162 votes

Soraka 's E is basically the same thing but worse.

Dr PoroJul 17, 20167 votes

E counters all abilities. You will really hate Soraka E if you play champions like Xerath who need a while to move out of there and can't do anything without their spells.

GibberwattJul 17, 20163 votes

Yeah, but she's squishy af, unless she is tanking, and even then she's still squishy. Andy decent artillery mage can blow her the heck up. She needs some sort of counter like her E

JynweithekJul 17, 201612 votes

Andy Decent, Artillery mage reporting for duty!

sparpoJul 17, 20165 votes

Varus is my favourite champ but i got to admit his kit is kind of messed up. Half of it doesnt suit the other half.

His passive and W force him to get close and auto attack enemies. BUT his Q, E and R are all poking moves.

Half of his kit forces him closer to the action but the other half forces him to get behind the lines and just poke. I think he should be reworked so that he is either one of these. In my opinion i think a mainly poking kit would be better and maybe one move that gives his auto attacks a boost.

His passive is terrible. Early game and wave clearing its okay but other than that its useless. His W should be his passive and he should get an actual ability. Maybe he could even be turned into a mage. Mid lane varus ad caster is way better than adc varus anyway. I think if they changed most of his moves to AP scaling he could make a good mage. Actually ap varus can be played right now and i think it could become meta if, say, they changed his W to a non passive AP ability.

So either make him an actual adc, an actual ad caster or an actual mage. Make up your mind riot.

khorneyJul 17, 20163 votes

varus needs mor ethen this . i like him how ever he is to me liek the weakest adc. Slow as hell not the greatest auto attack range , ult range could use a longer distance , no self attack speed like other adcs his passive doesnt count..... relyis on his q for damage. his one benefit is his w and thats really it

Masala ChaiJul 17, 201622 votes

Several flaws to your argument:

Varus is definetly not the weakest ADC, his niche is poking, and he does a very good job at that. The worst ADC would have to be a toss-up between Corki and Kalista.
575 AA range is really good, it's higher than and 's.
Sure he doesn't have the best attack speed steroid, but neither do other ADCs. and don't have any form of AS steroid.
His niche is poking, it gives him pretty safe poking power as he can siege fairly well with his Qs, and disengage with his ulti.

Your counterargument please.

SwiftKitten88Jul 17, 20168 votes

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Several flaws to your argument:

Varus is definetly not the weakest ADC, his niche is poking, and he does a very good job at that. The worst ADC would have to be a toss-up between Corki and Kalista.

575 AA range is really good, it's higher than and 's.

Sure he doesn't have the best attack speed steroid, but neither do other ADCs. and don't have any form of AS steroid.

His niche is poking, it gives him pretty safe poking power as he can siege fairly well with his Qs, and disengage with his ulti.

Your counterargument please.

im not the OP, but the op has a point, varus unlike most adc relies VERY heavily on procing his W passive with his abilities, both of which have a fairly long cooldown.

he has no ability to kite and while his E does slow, dashs can be slowed and i think grounded would give a really nice way to prevent people for dashing in on him until they get out of the small aoe aera. its not like it is anywhere near as big as Cassiopeia grounded effect.

although frankly i think Varus should have a higher base attack speed, have his W be his passive , just scaling based on level. and get a whole different W.

CheekynorthJul 17, 20164 votes

Actually I would like to disagree with that first statement. His Q alone does lots of damage but with his W it does more, so if you want to deal as much damage as possible, just walk up, AA once, walk away, AA again, walk away, AA for the last time and Q. Third of the health gone. However, you can do close to that damage with just Q, so saying he relies heavily, heck even relies at all on W passive, it false by miles. The cooldown may be long but look at most ADCs. His W also doesn't even have a cooldown, it's just for each AA. No ability to kite? Not what you do as Varus. Varus pokes. He does not kite. Nice as it might be to have more attack speed his passive does that for him.

Sincerely, a Varus main

Sad TyrantJul 17, 20162 votes

wouldn't the ability to kite be nice?

any game I play Varus in, I need a super peel Support in order to keep all the Assassins at bay, if not i'm always the first to die in a teamfight, Being a bronzie with bronzie teammates doesn't help

CheekynorthJul 17, 20161 votes

If you're in a team fight and being attacked first you aren't Varus-ing right. You are supposed to stay back, and use Q to poke, and to clean up stragglers after the fight

MonkeyMadnessJul 17, 20164 votes

If you are an assassin and you don't instagib varus before he can get off a single Q you aren't assassin-ing right...

RoodToobJul 18, 20161 votes

Well, yea, you're right. But a Varus should barely be in range of a zed using w to gap close, flash to get closer, and then Ulting just to be on the varus. So, as the guy before you stated, if Varus is close enough to die first, you're doing something wrong

This as an Assassin main who also used to play a lot of varus

MonkeyMadnessJul 18, 20164 votes

zed can gap close over an absolutely massive distance with his w and his ult. Add flash and youmuu's to the equation and if varus isn't dead at the start of every fight something is wrong.

TwoShotsOfVodkaJul 17, 20163 votes

Don't even touch my Varus, he is realy good, don't want Riot do to weird things with his body (R.I.P old Kog'maw)

BârdJul 17, 20165 votes

Kalista has a steroid.

She gains bonus attackspeed whenever she is near her oathsworn.

Granted, it is a shit steroid, but it is there.

SunbreakerJul 17, 20165 votes

No she doesn't , her base att. speed and att. speed growth got nerfed and the ''steroid'' is a compensation that brought her attack speed to pre-nerf value (which is still a nerf because she can only have her full AS around her support.)

BârdJul 17, 20164 votes

None of that matters.

While near her Oathsworn, Kalista gains 10 - 27% (based on level) bonus attack speed.

That is an attack speed steroid.

The fact that she was nerfed when they gave it to her does not change what it is.

If they were to add an AD ratio to Bards meeps but remove the slow, that doesn't mean that the new ratio isn't there.

SunbreakerJul 17, 20163 votes

Yes, it is technically an AS steroid, but effectively(which is much more important in the case of a competitive game) - Not really.

And that Bard analogy is hardly relevant, a more suitable comparison would be: Bards meep slow is overall 50% weaker, but is up to normal value when you are in the jungle.

It Hertz When IPJul 17, 20162 votes

Strictly speaking technically, you are correct. For the sake of countering the point that Refurbished was trying to make, you are completely wrong.

RequiemsfireJul 17, 20161 votes

I resent that, Varus is amazing all round, has hard CC on his ultimate that spreads across a team, powerful poke which early game can chunk an entire health bar for to half a slow that is very useful at cutting off or creating escape routes with powerful auto attacks that can be used from a safe range to kite.

khorneyJul 17, 20161 votes

His ultimate is a worse version of morgs ultimate. Ashe does what varus does but way better. Ez q poke does more damage then varus jinx taser does more damage it just doesn't Pierce.

RequiemsfireJul 17, 20164 votes

If you were so much as to actually look at the base damage of Varus's Q and his scalings you would realize that you are factually wrong. Ezreal's Q does far less base damage and has a lower scaling and doesn't go past minions. His W also has a lower base and scales off AP. Same with Jinx's Q in that it actually does less damage and doesn't pierce.

In fact if you had even bothered to check you would realize none of the champions you mentioned deal more poke damage than Varus's Q and that's not even factoring in Varus's blight stacks which do deal bonus magic damage on hit.

VasilisGreenJul 17, 20163 votes

He already has an imobilizing ult, don't be greedy

venomous frostJul 17, 20164 votes

so does Cassiopeia

VasilisGreenJul 17, 20162 votes

You need to look at her to get stunned and has quite a long animation

venomous frostJul 17, 20163 votes

and varus has a travel time + it takes a very long time for the aoe to spread.

VasilisGreenJul 17, 20164 votes

the aoe having to spread is a bonus. Also, don't compare a travel time with a cast animation. And it's travel time is quite short. It takes more time for a Zed shurriken to hit a target than for varus ult.

MelledoneusJul 17, 20161 votes

Zed Shuriken can be cast from up to three locations, has less of an indication, and has a tenth of the cooldown.

I don't see how my comment is relevant, move on.

VasilisGreenJul 17, 20162 votes

it became relevant when you compared a cast animation to a fast travel time.

MelledoneusJul 18, 20162 votes

You got the wrong guy, officer.

VasilisGreenJul 18, 20162 votes

Justice doesn't make mistakes

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MelledoneusJul 18, 20162 votes

Officer, I swear, it was Venomous Frost! Please don't taser me!

Or... stab me with that donut...?

Irelia BotJul 18, 20163 votes

First question.

Is he really under preforming that much?

Overall he is not doing overall that bad but just not his kind of meta.

Hayaishi2Jul 18, 20162 votes

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First question.

Is he really under preforming that much?

Overall he is not doing overall that bad but just not his kind of meta.

It's never been his meta. He was released back in 2012 and it's never been his meta.

BloodyTomponJul 18, 20162 votes

He's been semi-frequent in pro games this season. His very good as a long ranged poke caster in mid. Where he struggles a bit more is bottom (still not terrible), but if he is fine in mid does he really need the buff to make him good in bot too? I'd say no and it will just make him stronger in mid than he already is rather than push him bot.