Can Draven get the Ashe treatment?

TragicDeathFade·Feb 28, 2016·14 votes·1,230 views

I don't think it would be too much to ask if his axes could also fall off one by one instead of all at once. It would tempt less players to have to force their way to some cs and die because they feel the need to keep their axes going when Draven is being denied

Draven is one of my mains and i can honestly say this will not be the biggest buff to draven, if you cant catch you will lose, if you make bad choice you will lose. this one thing will simply ease the burden that all draven players have

14 Comments

GenghisEmoFeb 28, 20166 votes

No. He has the potential to be freaking strong. He needs to have that risk of failing. For now, i think we don't need to buff him.

He needs to live to the hypercarry expectations. Risk of being denied, especially early, and then scale and outscale foes.

Yes, this small change might not Kog'Maw him, but i dont think he needs the change.

Ashe did need it. She was horribly irrelevant. So much so, it was a weight on the team, instead of an edge. Now with the minor changes to Ashe, now she is relevant. Not a priority pick, and i'd prefer a Draven since your early game mistakes arent punished as hard in low elo.

Big LincolnFeb 28, 20169 votes

he's not a hypercarry

Draven is almost entirely centered around crushing his lane and using the gold advantage from his passive to snowball his lead. The fact that people consistently mislabel him as a 'hypercarry' is really starting to bother me when he is much worse late game than he is early game. Or at least, he should be; it's a lot harder for him to do his job when almost every other ADC is equally strong in lane phase, and then proceeds to outscale him by leaps and bounds, or just flat-out out-bullies him.

For a champion who was supposedly a "weight on the team," she was doing pretty well for herself with a 52% winrate before the rework. Especially now, when being punished for early game mistakes are.. a HELL of a lot more punishing for Draven than they are for Ashe, who is a late-game monster compared to most other ADCs.

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 28, 20161 votes

He can pretty much one or two shoot almost anything late game. How exactly is that weaker?

Big LincolnFeb 29, 20162 votes

because he lines himself up with getting obliterated to catch axes late game and he'd rather not get nuked for trying to keep his DPS relevant. compare this to actual late-game champions like Vayne who can reposition well and not risk losing out on DPS, or Caitlyn who can pelt him to death from out of his range and you'll see why he's better picked into lanes he wins, and not as a late game pick. any sort of risk taking in axes is generally suicide if they haven't already blown their important cooldowns, and something as trivial as trundle pillar can completely shit on your damage output.

Draven works very poorly without a gold lead in most situations. It's a mistake to pick him into a losing lane because he does not outscale most of them, nor does he have the safety to actually make regular comebacks from a gold deficit. He only really works when he snowballs; anything less and you might as well have picked someone else.

Spicy RiceFeb 29, 20161 votes

And even with a strong gold lead, once the game hits teamfight phase, his dps becomes very very unreliable.

WeiseAzirFeb 29, 20161 votes

I've nearly t5'd Draven this month and I can tell you the power his had last season is gone now. the only draven who beat me in lane was using a Brand support. lte me make it clear that was doing all the work

GenghisEmoFeb 29, 20162 votes

He still is. But Lucian and Ezreal are the go to ADCs. As well as Kog'maw.

Luc and Ez hit spikes earlier.

Draaaven needs to get stacks. He has not really fallen off. Just that there are more "early and mid" game ADCs, which are stronger due to changes in meta.

Draven has always been able to two-shot everything. And even used in pro and higher levels of play. Not fallen, just not as much of a priority.

There is a difference. Ashe literally was nerfed to the ground, then now she is getting a wee bit of love. Draaaven was never nerfed into the ground, but has suffered from changes.

He can possibly get the stacks slow decay, but i still dont think he needs them.

Ashe is a late game monster, but after the nerfs that was no where near true.

Now with the minor tweaks seeing more play. But still feels a shadow of her former glory. Mostly due to other champs being priorities and new meta.

WeiseAzirFeb 29, 20162 votes

draven has really fallen off this season. not hypercarry at all

AkeneroFeb 28, 20163 votes

Draven's axes stopping works thematically, it's a good show when you can stop things symmetrically, and mechanically, due to the raw damage he inflicts.