Meddler Why cant you cleanse Bard Ult with merc scimitar?

Rivuo··1 votes·1,828 views

I went merc scimitar instead of bloodthirster because bard would always ult me ( adc ) and i tried my best to avoid it but it seems like unless you flash it or have a dash you get hit by it

Either way im just curious as to why its not cleanseable..

Qss says ''removes all crowd control effected''

you're ccd if you're in a statis effect

38 Comments

ChaddyFantome3 votes

Stasis isn't counted as CC the same way all other forms of CC are. It prevents you from doing anythign at all during it. It's the same deal with Zhonyas

Could you imagine the BS plays you could make if you could QSS after using Zhonyas?

Rivuo1 votes

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Could you imagine the BS plays you could make if you could QSS after using Zhonyas?

Why would you QSS if you used zhonyas.

Let alone why would an AP champ buy QSS just to QSS the zhonyas

??

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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Why would you QSS if you used zhonyas.

Block a targeted Spell like Vi Ult or Caitlyn Ult. without leavign yourself wide open to get rekt'd.

Let alone why would an AP champ buy QSS just to QSS the zhonyas

The enemy have Malzahar and Skarner.

BakedLotion2 votes

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Block a targeted Spell like Vi Ult or Caitlyn Ult. without leavign yourself wide open to get rekt'd.

The enemy have Malzahar and Skarner.

You can't get targeted by anything during zhonyas so...

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Might wanna learn to read there buddy. You cancel their channels by using Zhonyas AFTER they click on you.

BakedLotion3 votes

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Might wanna learn to read there buddy. You cancel their channels by using Zhonyas AFTER they click on you.

You might wanna learn read. He said "Why would you QSS if you used zhonyas." And you responded with "Vi ult" If you zhonya'd the Vi ult, you wouldn't need to QSS anything.

And then he said "Let alone why would an AP champ buy QSS just to QSS the zhonyas" Which means that no one would want to QSS the stasis. But you responded with "skarner ult or malz ult" when you can't get targeted during statis anyway.

Good job making yourself look like an idiot.

Rivuo2 votes

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You might wanna learn read. He said "Why would you QSS if you used zhonyas." And you responded with "Vi ult" If you zhonya'd the Vi ult, you wouldn't need to QSS anything. Good job making yourself look like an idiot.

^

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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^

I bet you didn't even read the post and are just desperate to save face.

Rivuo1 votes

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I bet you didn't even read the post and are just desperate to save face.

i dont understand why you are so aggressive. think you need to go drink some orange juice

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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You might wanna learn read. He said "Why would you QSS if you used zhonyas." And you responded with "Vi ult" If you zhonya'd the Vi ult, you wouldn't need to QSS anything.

You might wanna actually finish reading then. You would QSS to then theoretically cancel the stasis right away so you wouldn't have to wait the full duration. zzz

Nw you are just making a monkey of yourself.

And then he said "Let alone why would an AP champ buy QSS just to QSS the zhonyas" Which means that no one would want to QSS the stasis.

???????????????? Did you not even pay attention to the scenario?

But you responded with "skarner ult or malz ult" when you can't get targeted during statis anyway.

Yes because the presence of those champions is a valid reason to have the items EVEN IN the current state of the game. Player sin LCS and WORLDs were seen doing it not too long ago even.

Good job making yourself look like an idiot.

The irony is real

BakedLotion2 votes

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You might wanna actually finish reading then. You would QSS to then theoretically cancel the stasis right away so you wouldn't have to wait the full duration. zzz

Nw you are just making a monkey of yourself.

???????????????? Did you not even pay attention to the scenario?

Yes because the presence of those champions is a valid reason to have the items EVEN IN the current state of the game. Player sin LCS and WORLDs were seen doing it not too long ago even.

The irony is real

lul

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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lul

Get btfo'd and have nothing to say so you respond with low effort trash.

Smh welcome to lolboards.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Except you can't use item actives when suppressed.

To cancel Malzahar's ult the way you want, you'd need first QSS the Supression, then Zhonya to break the channel, then QSS the Zhonya.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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Except you can't use item actives when suppressed.

You can use QSS while surpressed.

To cancel Malzahar's ult the way you want, you'd need first QSS the Supression, then Zhonya to break the channel, then QSS the Zhonya.

Who said anythign about Malzahar's ult in the scenario? Also, all you'd really have to do is walk out of range of his Ultimate to break the channel since it is a tether. Or just CC him.

Vistha Kai1 votes

You can use QSS while surpressed.

That's the only exception, but...

Who said anythign about Malzahar's ult in the scenario? Also, all you'd really have to do is walk out of range of his Ultimate to break the channel since it is a tether.

You did here:

Block a targeted Spell like Vi Ult or Caitlyn Ult. without leavign yourself wide open to get rekt'd.

And here:

Might wanna learn to read there buddy. You cancel their channels by using Zhonyas AFTER they click on you.

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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That's the only exception, but... Also, all you'd really have to do is walk out of range of his Ultimate to break the channel since it is a tether.

You did here:

And here:

I think there are bigger problems here if you read Vi and Caitlyn's names as Malzahar.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Yup, there is a problem, but it doesn't seem to be related to me.

A guy said:

Let alone why would an AP champ buy QSS just to QSS the zhonyas

To which you responded:

The enemy have Malzahar and Skarner.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Yup, there is a problem, but it doesn't seem to be related to me.

A guy said:

To which you responded:

You are either really dense or really desperate Malzahar/Skarner being mensioned was in response to sayign "Why would a midlaner get QSS"

it has nothing to do with the actual scenario i described for the pruposes of canceling your own stasis from Zhonyas. Read comprehension. Do you know what it even is?!?

BakedLotion2 votes

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You are either really dense or really desperate Malzahar/Skarner being mensioned was in response to sayign "Why would a midlaner get QSS"

it has nothing to do with the actual scenario i described for the pruposes of canceling your own stasis from Zhonyas. Read comprehension. Do you know what it even is?!?

hmmm, I like how nobody agrees with you and how you're obviously stupid or ignorant but u think you're right But hey, nobody can read but you.

Vistha Kai1 votes

I find if funny that people like him are nearly exclusively Silver or Bronze.

I'm not saying that all Silvers or Bronzes are ignorant, though.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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I find if funny that people like him are nearly exclusively Silver or Bronze.

I'm not saying that all Silvers or Bronzes are ignorant, though.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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hmmm, I like how nobody agrees with you and how you're obviously stupid or ignorant but u think you're right But hey, nobody can read but you.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon Get a real argument please. Try again.

Vistha Kai1 votes

Reading* comprehension and yes, I do know what that is.

First of all you should re-read what you wrote and think about how little sense it has.

You speak about "breaking channels" of abilities such as Vi or Caitlyn's ult, while the former isn't a channel and disrupting the latter durning the channel puts it on a 5 second cooldown.

Then upon asking why would an AP champion get both of those items, you say, because "the enemy team has Malzahar or Skarner", so now it apparently means that's why you should get both items, instead of the "QSS the Zhonya" thing.

You immediately changed your train of thoughts without a reason for it.

Am I desparate? Hardly.

I'm just making fun of your writing adventures.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Reading* comprehension and yes, I do know what that is.

First of all you should re-read what you wrote and think about how little sense it has.

You speak about "breaking channels" of abilities such as Vi or Caitlyn's ult, while the former isn't a channel and disrupting the latter durning the channel puts it on a 5 second cooldown.

Then upon asking why would an AP champion get both of those items, you say, because "the enemy team has Malzahar or Skarner", so now it apparently means that's why you should get both items, instead of the "QSS the Zhonya" thing.

You immediately changed your train of thoughts without a reason for it.

Am I desparate? Hardly.

I'm just making fun of your writing adventures.

Yea again, your reading comprehension is stilled as fuck.

I repeat. No. The part about Malzahar and Skarner was to show that people already do get it on AP champs as is and it isn't this foreign concept TC is making it out to be. (i swear if this is your alt i will laugh)

You aren't getting it solely for them in my scenario. I am saying that them being on the enemy would justify it all on its own.

I have outright told you this twice now.

If you still don't get it, this borders on willful denial and butthurt tier insecurity and unwillingness to admit to ones mistakes as opposed anything else.

Which is much worse, because reading comprehension can be taught but idiocy is incurable.

Sup im Carrier3 votes

Bards ult is a STASIS, not a CC effect. STASIS means being unable to do anything for a period of time. Mercurial/QSS cleanses ALL NEGATIVE EFFECTS, stasis is not a negative effect.

Rivuo2 votes

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Bards ult is a STASIS, not a CC effect. STASIS means being unable to do anything for a period of time. Mercurial/QSS cleanses ALL NEGATIVE EFFECTS, stasis is not a negative effect.

If you read my post you would see i said ''its a statis''

thanks for showing me you cant read

BakedLotion1 votes

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If you read my post you would see i said ''its a statis''

thanks for showing me you cant read

Statis is just statis. You can't do anything. That's how the game works. There is no explanation.

Sniper 02 votes

You need to reread your original post... there is no mention of stasis. Nice try.

"you're ccd if you're in a statis effect" May want to proof read there ghost rider.

Rivuo1 votes

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You need to reread your original post... there is no mention of stasis. Nice try.

"you're ccd if you're in a statis effect" May want to proof read there ghost rider.

''There is no mention of stasis ''

Then continues to quote me on how i said

you're ccd if you're in a stasis

Ok......

Sniper 02 votes

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I went merc scimitar instead of bloodthirster because bard would always ult me ( adc ) and i tried my best to avoid it but it seems like unless you flash it or have a dash you get hit by it

Either way im just curious as to why its not cleanseable..

Qss says "removes all crowd control effected"

you&amp ccd if you in a statis effect

Tell me where the word stasis is here... you didn't even take the time to reread it... lmao...

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zyra Suit Samus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GspAlbk8,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-10-11T21:06:12.837+0000)

Tell me where the word stasis is here... you didn't even take the time to reread it... lmao...

Pretty sure an autistic person can read the word statis and see that stasis was implied.

+1 for you

Sniper 03 votes

I clearly understood, it's just fun to watch you squirm. :^) You also still haven't corrected it.

My statis is that of statis. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zyra Suit Samus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GspAlbk8,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-11T21:09:54.504+0000)

I clearly understood, it's just fun to watch you squirm. :^)

..?????

You also still haven't corrected it.

Why would i change it after arguing with you about a mistype? Wouldnt that just make me look stupid since ill be ''acting'' like it was originally there when it wasent..?

You have some issues.

Sniper 05 votes

The guy who used autism as an insult is saying I have issues. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Mole Lord2 votes

Stasis is not cc...

PhDs Nuts1 votes

Seems to be a lot of stupid going on in this thread at the same time.

It would be broken if you could QSS your own Zhonyas, because every AP champion would then have Troll Pole. You could use your Zhonyas to interrupt a targeted ult like Vi/Caitlyn, or dodge essentially anything like Alistar/Yasuo/Nidalee/Malphite/etc. Immediately afterwards, you could just QSS out of it and move along instead of being caught out of position after the full stasis.

A champion might buy QSS if Malz is on the enemy team, but they wouldn't be using this combo for Malz since it would be backwards. If the enemy was something like Malphite/Vi/Malz, then it would be perfectly reasonable to have both. The QSS counters Malz, the Zhonyas counters Malph/Vi, and if you have both items off cooldown you could use the Zhonyas/QSS combo.

You could also just Zhonyas and then use QSS unpredictably early (between 1-2 seconds into stasis) to throw off the enemy's timing and then escape. Imagine Ahri using Zhonyas during her ult. Instead of being able to set up a near-frame-perfect trap/stun/root/execute when it ends, she could QSS early and dash away.

R181 votes

Think of this like mtg. Getting stunned or cced normally would put something into the graveyard. If in stasis, you are essentially exiled. Basically, bard ult, Zhonya, AND FUCKING FIZZ E remove you from the game

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