Show Talon a little love please.

DonutChan·Dec 5, 2015·12 votes·2,044 views

So Zed got a free buff, with no downsides at all. So can Talon get some of that please? So that he can be even CONSIDERED GOOD? PLEASE? SOMETHING? ANYTHING? How come no one fucking talks about Talon EVER!? WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR HIM TO BE (DEBATABLE) THE WORST ASSASSIN IN THE GAME!? I don't understand. All I ever get is "HURR DURR TALON GOTS AoE SO HE IS JUST AS GOOD AS ZED"

I just want to know SOMETHING is planned for him! A buff! A rework! ANYTHING!!!!

ITS BEEN LIKE 2 SEASONS AND NO ONE GIVES 2 SHITS ABOUT TALON!

39 Comments

GigahappytownDec 5, 201510 votes

Hes the best solo quere assassin in the game and has never been bad.

Hes not even close to worst

zed akali kha,zix are much much worse than talon right now

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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Hes the best solo quere assassin in the game and has never been bad.

Hes not even close to worst

zed akali kha,zix are much much worse than talon right now

I'll give you Kha'zix but he was gutted. But Akali has free sustain, no mana gating, BENEFITS FROM THE NEW KEYSTONES and is still a solid pubstomper.

But I don't mean Talon is good for solo queue or not, I mean the fact that if the other team isn't stupid your BEST Case scenario late game is "Blow up a carry and die"

GigahappytownDec 5, 20153 votes

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I'll give you Kha'zix but he was gutted. But Akali has free sustain, no mana gating, BENEFITS FROM THE NEW KEYSTONES and is still a solid pubstomper.

But I don't mean Talon is good for solo queue or not, I mean the fact that if the other team isn't stupid your BEST Case scenario late game is "Blow up a carry and die"

akalis e is useless outside of healing and w is useless period

she plays with half a kit and can't burst as hard as others until 6 items

shes the worst assassin in the game

just gets pink warded and malz ulted.

and that best case scenario applys more to akali than it does to talon

talon is the most reliable assassin right now.

DonutChanDec 5, 20155 votes

{quoted} talon is the most reliable assassin right now.

Zed Zed Zed Yasuo Yasuo Yasuo In what universe again is this?

GigahappytownDec 5, 20154 votes

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In what universe again is this?

Yasuos not a assassin

talon is much better than zed right now.

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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Yasuos not a assassin

talon is much better than zed right now.

In what sense is Talon better than Zed? Inb4 "He has AoE ult tho"

SaltyKrackaDec 5, 20152 votes

In this sense, you dipshit.

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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In this sense, you dipshit.

No need for name calling friend. winrates don't mean anything.

SaltyKrackaDec 5, 20152 votes

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No need for name calling friend.

Your second sentence contradicts your first.

winrates don't mean anything.

DonutChanDec 5, 20153 votes

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Your second sentence contradicts your first.

Okay then I agree to disagree. Are you happy now? Jesus I just wanted to know Riot's current stance on Talon, but it turned into a (one-sided) shit flinging contest. Don't be so hostile, do you have some kinda personal beef against Talon or something?

SaltyKrackaDec 5, 20152 votes

Your whole OP is nothing but begging for buffs. "Wanted to know Riot's current stance on Talon" my ass.

JenismDec 5, 20154 votes

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Your whole OP is nothing but begging for buffs. "Wanted to know Riot's current stance on Talon" my ass.

DIAMOND OVERLORD HERE(NOBACKTALK) FUTA IS RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG AND TRASH STAYDOWN HUNTY :3

Edge of DaybreakDec 5, 20154 votes

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In what sense is Talon better than Zed? Inb4 "He has AoE ult tho"

I once built A QSS to remove Talon's AOE damage OH WAIT I DIDN'T. I once took 3 seconds to burst an ADC on Talon OH WAIT! I didnt...Anyone who plays Talon knows he's better to have than Zed. The longer the game goes on the weaker Zed gets and the stronger Talon becomes. It gets to the point that zed cant even fight him straight up just due to how much faster Talon's burst is.

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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I once built A QSS to remove Talon's AOE damage OH WAIT I DIDN'T. I once took 3 seconds to burst an ADC OH wait I didnt...Anyone who plays Talon knows he's better to have than Zed. The longer the game goes on the weaker Zed gets and the stronger Talon becomes. It gets to the point that zed cant even fight him straight up just due to how much faster Talon's burst is.

QSS costs more money then, a pinkward. Since we're using that logic.

Edge of DaybreakDec 5, 20153 votes

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QSS costs more money then, a pinkward. Since we're using that logic.

I remember the last time a pink ward stopped damage. It was...Remind me again when was the last time a pink ward stopped damage?

Zed can be counterbuilt easier. Takes longer to burst late game than Talon and Talon contributes more AOE damage to a fight. All zed has on him is laning phase, poke, and a better escape. That's great for a while but if you dont close that game out then you are pretty much gonna be Talon's bitch soon.

Also Riot recently talked about Talon. It was also posted to Surrender at 20. Also I know it's been said but Talon's not even close to worse assassin. He's never even been close to bad just not popular.

KONO RUBICK DADec 5, 20152 votes

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Yasuos not a assassin

talon is much better than zed right now.

there is no way that talon is better than zed

did you play him with the buff? rofl, his ulti deals 1/2 of your hp at lvl 6 now

Slamurai JackDec 5, 20155 votes

Statistically speaking, Talon has been the best assassin in solo Q for nearly 2 seasons, and still is. Yes, he isn't as flashy as Zed and Leblanc, but you know what he gets in exchange? Actual reliability.

DonutChanDec 5, 20151 votes

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Statistically speaking, Talon has been the best assassin in solo Q for nearly 2 seasons, and still is. Yes, he isn't as flashy as Zed and Leblanc, but you know what he gets in exchange? Actual reliability.

But I don't feel like he does that much if people just build armor. Or pink for his ulty. I'm not challenger or anything, but I've played quite a bit of talon.

SaltyKrackaDec 5, 20154 votes

Holy shit, tanks and people building tanky are hard to assassinate! Somebody sound the fucking alarms!

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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Holy shit, tanks and people building tanky are hard to assassinate! Somebody sound the fucking alarms!

Yet Zed can still melt a tank with ult.

GigaPubeDec 5, 20153 votes

no fuck assassins you only want them to show him love cos you play him. WHAT ABOUT TARIC YORICK URGOT GALIO, but no you dont play them so you dont care, but thats bias m8 which means your opinion is invalid, get mad

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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no fuck assassins you only want them to show him love cos you play him. WHAT ABOUT TARIC YORICK URGOT GALIO, but no you dont play them so you dont care, but thats bias m8 which means your opinion is invalid, get mad

Taric is straight getting a rework next. STAY RETARDED SON.

Edit: We are memeing right?

SaltyKrackaDec 5, 20152 votes

He's got a ~50% win rate.

Nobody gives two shits that he's not OP anymore.

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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He's got a ~50% win rate.

Nobody gives two shits that he's not OP anymore.

Obligatory argument about winrate not meaning much of anything, that will fall on deaf ears

DonutChanDec 5, 20153 votes

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He's got a ~50% win rate.

Nobody gives two shits that he's not OP anymore.

Also I keep saying that E is straight up a placeholder that they forgot to put anything in. He was never "OP" he still died in fights the same way he does now. He just had breathing room to not get instantly knocked away or CC'd by ONE person.

Lady HammerlockDec 5, 20152 votes

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Also I keep saying that E is straight up a placeholder that they forgot to put anything in. He was never "OP" he still died in fights the same way he does now. He just had breathing room to not get instantly knocked away or CC'd by ONE person.

talon is still in a good fucking spot and suiciding for a kill sounds like your average assassin

also those zed Buffs were not free at all first of all the item 3035 change hurt him they fixed a bug where he could instant cast Q with his shadow which made him sluggish so they changed him..

JayenKeiDec 7, 20151 votes

"suiciding for a kill sounds like your average assassin"

"not your average assassin" Zed blink back LeBlanc blink back Ekko rewind 4 seconds Khazix resets Katarina resets Fizz troll pole Nidalee endless jumps Kassadin blinks

"average assassin" Talon speed boost ms invis Akali speed boost ms invis Rengar speed boost ms invis

Doesn't seem so average/normal to me ._.

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

It's the same thing as when I used to bring up Miss.Fortune being lackluster.
"No shut up! I like her mediocre!" "She doesn't have to be great when she can be "OKAY" "

Why does Talon have to be "Okay" Why is it unacceptable for him to be great or GOOD even. I never understood that kinda reasoning.
Destined to be "Solo queue, blind pick pubstomper"

I'm not asking for just flat numbers to increase, I just want some to be improved so he doesn't feel so lackluster.
I mean giving Cutthroat a REAL effect would even acceptable. Hell just straight up make it Shunpo!

Death by GlamourDec 5, 20154 votes

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It's the same thing as when I used to bring up Miss.Fortune being lackluster.
"No shut up! I like her mediocre!" "She doesn't have to be great when she can be "OKAY" "

Why does Talon have to be "Okay" Why is it unacceptable for him to be great or GOOD even. I never understood that kinda reasoning.
Destined to be "Solo queue, blind pick pubstomper"

I'm not asking for just flat numbers to increase, I just want some to be improved so he doesn't feel so lackluster.
I mean giving Cutthroat a REAL effect would even acceptable. Hell just straight up make it Shunpo!

Becuase unlike zed thier is little to no counter play to talon once he gets going he can just one shot a squishy.

Two problems talon has right now is

Tank meta but this makes most assasins fairly useless

And mana usage in lane phase

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

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Becuase unlike zed thier is little to no counter play to talon once he gets going he can just one shot a squishy.

Two problems talon has right now is

Tank meta but this makes most assasins fairly useless

And mana usage in lane phase

Then how about a rework?

ZLbSwAR23IDec 5, 20152 votes

Made a thread about this a few days ago. You just get people downvoting for no reason because they don't want buffs to him, regardless of whether he needs them or not (he does).

SaltyKrackaDec 5, 20153 votes

You get downvoted for whining? What a surprise!

(P.S. He doesn't)

DonutChanDec 5, 20153 votes

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You get downvoted for whining? What a surprise!

(P.S. He doesn't)

Yes god forbid anyone voice any grievances. ALL HAIL THE RIOT OVERLORDS! HAIL! [slayer-jinx-wink]

ZLbSwAR23IDec 5, 20151 votes

Whining =/= offering constructive ideas as to how give Talon the slight improvement he needs

SaltyKrackaDec 5, 20151 votes

You mean the buffs you want. He doesn't need any improvements at all.

ZLbSwAR23IDec 5, 20151 votes

He does.

DonutChanDec 5, 20151 votes

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He does.

He does not stop channels with E. If that's what you mean. It 's not even a root.

DonutChanDec 5, 20151 votes

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Whining =/= offering constructive ideas as to how give Talon the slight improvement he needs

Fair enough. Short of a whole rework, I Think E should do something that at least allows him to stop channels if a silence (no matter how short) is too much. Seems kinda dumb that all I can do is paw at someone who is TPing right in front of me. Maybe give him some kinda CHANCE to escape if he successfully kills someone? I mean he's the "Blade's shadow" you'd think he'd have more to his stealth mechanics then just "Either do damage or Escape".

I always thought it was lame that Katarina and him were both taught by the same person, yet Talon gets a gimped Shunpo.
(I understand that it used to silence, but that is no longer the case.)

DonutChanDec 5, 20152 votes

memes are fierce.