Urgot does not need a major rework. He needs publicity.

Bârd·Jul 5, 2016·1 votes·500 views

Two things.

A visual update. Be sure to keep his vibe as an unnatural "crime against nature" blob.
Stop marketing him as an ADC. Remove the "Marksman" tag from him in the client. Urgot is no more of a marksman than Gnar is.

Remember the Twitch VU? Before, he was considered to be one of the weaker marksmen in the roster, on the level of Quinn and Ashe at the time (before their reworks). After, despite no balance changes being made to him, he was considered strong enough to warrant nerfs. This is the kind of thing a little publicity can do.

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venomous frostJul 5, 20163 votes

except his ult puts him in the middle of the enemy team despite being a long ranged caster

RalanrJul 5, 20161 votes

This is known as getting rekted Ladies and Gentlemen.

BârdJul 5, 20161 votes

Yes, that is the entire point of Urgot. He is a walking contradiction. A ranged juggernaut. A tanky artillery with utter shit auto attack range. A crab that shoots knives at people. He is a unique playstyle, but one that can be made to work. He is a monstrosity, and we Urgot players love him for it.

With this particular thing, removing it would be a shot in the foot to all Urgot players, as we all love diving into the enemy. Imagine if Riot looked at Tristana, and thought that her ability to Rocket jump into the fray (and not be an absolutely horrible plan in all situations) was too contradictory to her "long ranged playstlye", and nerfed it to the ground? Tristana players would be utterly pissed.

A couple of side notes. Don't think of Urgot as artillery. He is a brawler who happens to be ranged. His ultimate CAN put him in the middle of the enemy, but it doesn't HAVE to. You can use it for picks. You can use it for dueling power. You can use it to force the enemy under your tower. It is an immensely powerful spell, and is rather veratile.

OleandervineJul 5, 20162 votes

Urgot needs more work than a simple visual update can offer. While his kit currently works, it suffers from what Evelynn suffers from - a smattering of oddball skills lead to a colossal identity crisis.

BârdJul 5, 20161 votes

Eve suffers from a very different problem than Urgot. All of her power budget is allocated onto a single ability (her passive), so the rest of her kit is continually nerfed. Her passive is so strong that if the rest of her kit is allowed to be good, she is a menace.

Stealth is a problematic mechanic in league. Champions based entirely around it are bound to be equally problematic.

OleandervineJul 5, 20161 votes

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Eve suffers from a very different problem than Urgot. All of her power budget is allocated onto a single ability (her passive), so the rest of her kit is continually nerfed. Her passive is so strong that if the rest of her kit is allowed to be good, she is a menace.

Stealth is a problematic mechanic in league. Champions based entirely around it are bound to be equally problematic.

Stealth is a problem, yes. But her ult is the second largest problem on her kit. Here's what it does:

-It deals %HP damage based on current HP. -It shields Evelynn based on how much damage she dealt with it, meaning it's more effective in team fights.

Here's where it's ineffective on her: -Assassins need to kill targets fairly quickly. Dealing %HP damage based on the HP you have remaining is the worst way to kill someone, and, in fact, can never kill someone unless they have 2HP or less. -It encourages Evelynn to use it in team fights to hit more than one target, something which assassins don't want to be doing. They want to be targeting squishies and killing them immediately.

Furthermore, Q-Hate Spike, is a sustained damage spell, dealing minor damage on a near non-existent cooldown. It's ideal for kiting. Again, this spell is not engineered for an assassin's kit, because assassins need to kill, not draw out encounters. So for these reasons listed above, Evelynn has the same problems as Urgot, except that she's supposed to be a pure assassin and not a hybrid tank. She has identity crisis issues because her kit doesn't fit for an assassin build and instead fares better as a juggernaut, something which she lacks the stats for. So yes, Stealth is the largest issue with her kit, but it's not the only issue. In fact, despite being broken, the stealth is one of the few aspects of her kit that is a quality befitting of an assassin.