Premade forced a surrender, Flamed the solo quer for losing

Rivuo·Nov 25, 2016·68 votes·2,966 views

''Why do you guys hate premades so much''

60 Comments

jaymc1130Nov 25, 201622 votes

Premades are fucking terrible and inherently toxic.

Solo players, duo players, or full 5 mans. There should be nothing in between because 3 mans and 4 mans tend to just act like terrorists.

5000000000000000Nov 25, 20169 votes

that's not what "inherently" means

jaymc1130Nov 25, 20166 votes

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that's not what "inherently" means

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inherent

My argument is that premades have an innate quality that is and makes them, toxic.

The use of the word is correct.

It is hyperbole, but it wasn't used mistakenly.

5000000000000000Nov 25, 20167 votes

"tend to" implies not always, and thus not permanent and inseparable. There are premades that are fine. Experiences with premade tend to suck, yes, but that's not to say premades are inherently toxic. It's often toxic, but not inherently.

jaymc1130Nov 25, 20161 votes

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"tend to" implies not always, and thus not permanent and inseparable. There are premades that are fine. Experiences with premade tend to suck, yes, but that's not to say premades are inherently toxic. It's often toxic, but not inherently.

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It is hyperbole, but it wasn't used mistakenly.

TeCoolMageNov 26, 20162 votes

'Inherently' means there's something that makes them toxic by default.

And there is absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever

jaymc1130Nov 26, 20161 votes

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'Inherently' means there's something that makes them toxic by default.

And there is absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever

Click the link to the definition so you can become more educated as to the definition of inherent.

TeCoolMageNov 26, 20162 votes

existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute;

If it is a permanent and inseparable attribute it has that attribute by default.

Toxicity is separable from premades. The idea of a premade does not cause permanent toxicity, people who are toxic either in general or in certain circumstances come together in a premade and form a toxic premade.

I think you should click the link yourself and become more educated as to what inherent means

jaymc1130Nov 26, 20161 votes

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If it is a permanent and inseparable attribute it has that attribute by default.

Toxicity is separable from premades. The idea of a premade does not cause permanent toxicity, people who are toxic either in general or in certain circumstances come together in a premade and form a toxic premade.

I think you should click the link yourself and become more educated as to what inherent means

I'm very aware of what it means. I made a very specific statement. My opinion is that 100% of the player base is toxic. Its only a matter of degree and frequency. Since its an inherent aspect for every single player it would naturally be an inherent aspect of a group of players.

Furthermore this was explained as being hyperbole earlier in the thread so it should be obvious I was making a bit of a joke with the statement. I guess it was too subtle for you. Maybe I need to add something low brow, like a fart or the word doody.

TeCoolMageNov 26, 20161 votes

I don't care if it was a joke or not, the statement, "but it wasn't used mistakenly" is wrong, regardless of whether it's hyperbole or not.

I can get 4 random guys to join the game by either creating an account or being given a level 30 one and make a premade, and they won't be toxic.

jaymc1130Nov 26, 20161 votes

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I don't care if it was a joke or not, the statement, "but it wasn't used mistakenly" is wrong, regardless of whether it's hyperbole or not.

I can get 4 random guys to join the game by either creating an account or being given a level 30 one and make a premade, and they won't be toxic.

Still not bright enough to understand the statement in the first place. Even after the explanation.

Shrug

Figures.

TeCoolMageNov 26, 20161 votes

Nope, your idea of 'inherent' is just wrong and this is your way of coping with it. Denial and a desperate attempt to put yourself above others in an argument that could've otherwise educated you on your incorrect interpretation

jaymc1130Nov 26, 20161 votes

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Nope, your idea of 'inherent' is just wrong and this is your way of coping with it. Denial and a desperate attempt to put yourself above others in an argument that could've otherwise educated you on your incorrect interpretation

Lmao.

How dense are you?

How can you NOT understand this?

Let me see if I can break it down REAL nice and slow and simple for you since this is obviously a very difficult cognitive exercise for you:

My opinion on the matter of the nature of people in general is that people are bad. They aren't good and just do bad things. They ARE bad at the core. In the context of league of legends this means my opinion is that players are all toxic. They aren't good and just happen to act toxic. They are toxic at their core. Thus, a group of players would ALSO be toxic at the core. That would make this an intrinsic quality they have by default.

There can be no more correct use of the word "inherent". Its not even possible. It was literally used in its literal definition.

I didn't mean to say something else. I didn't say what I intended to say incorrectly.

I said exactly what I meant.

Now its an opinion that I feel that way. And this opinion is exaggerated. But nothing changes the fact that I LITERALLY meant that I feel players are toxic by default, particularly in premades.

Good luck passing english class mate. You're gonna need it...

SnowplosionNov 25, 20165 votes

They already removed 4 mans.

jaymc1130Nov 25, 20162 votes

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They already removed 4 mans.

I'm aware.

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 26, 20163 votes

Its so stupid to not have a real SOLO Q [zombie-brand-clap]

Supreme Senpai69Nov 26, 20162 votes

I've said this a lot. Thankfully in flex queue they do not allow 4 mans, and there's no reason for 1 or 2 people to join flex. So it's just 3 or 5 for the most part. In theory, if duos aren't playing flexed (why risk going against a 5 man?,) then 3 mans are going to have insanely long queue times. This might make flex 5v5 exclusive.

Which would be awesome.

Alorrin01Nov 26, 20161 votes

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I've said this a lot. Thankfully in flex queue they do not allow 4 mans, and there's no reason for 1 or 2 people to join flex. So it's just 3 or 5 for the most part. In theory, if duos aren't playing flexed (why risk going against a 5 man?,) then 3 mans are going to have insanely long queue times. This might make flex 5v5 exclusive.

Which would be awesome.

I encourage all duos to join flex queue. GTFO solo.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 26, 20161 votes

I think duos important in the sense that there might be like 2% of supports that prefer to play solo. But I agree it's pretty cancerous when, say, the jungler is a duo. For the enemy team one lane gets camped all game and it's miserable. For the ally team only one lane gets a single gank and it's miserable

Alorrin01Nov 26, 20162 votes

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Premades are fucking terrible and inherently toxic.

Solo players, ~~duo players~~, or full 5 mans. There should be nothing in between because 3 mans and 4 mans tend to just act like terrorists.

That's better

MarshbouyNov 25, 201610 votes

When people are still complaining about premades when soloQ is out.

RivuoNov 25, 201622 votes

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When people are still complaining about premades when soloQ is out.

Theres a solo q for normal?

MarshbouyNov 25, 201623 votes

I forgot the part of the post where you said "Premades in normals" my bad.

RivuoNov 25, 20163 votes

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I forgot the part of the post where you said "Premades in normals" my bad.

I assumed we had a brain.

MarshbouyNov 25, 201619 votes

I assumed that people would specify the game mode they are playing in like a normal person, but we can't have everything we ask for.

RivuoNov 25, 20162 votes

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I assumed that people would specify the game mode they are playing in like a normal person, but we can't have everything we ask for.

Have you made a post that has any importance in the last week.

MarshbouyNov 25, 201613 votes

Define "post that has any importance in the last week". Do you define importance by popularity? How about http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AEbXeoQK-why-do-people-act-like-j4-ult-is-useless http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/2GJuTGPx-what-do-you-call-the-offspring-of-azir-and-kalista Or do you define importance by bringing up game balance issues? http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JYjHFaKY-i-get-a-bad-feeling-that-xin-zhao-just-got-completely-outclassed http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JYjHFaKY-i-get-a-bad-feeling-that-xin-zhao-just-got-completely-outclassed How about getting involved with the community as importance? http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment/bwiPF6YN-advertisement-for-the-nidalee-jungle-club

RivuoNov 25, 20162 votes

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Define "post that has any importance in the last week". Do you define importance by popularity? How about http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AEbXeoQK-why-do-people-act-like-j4-ult-is-useless http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/memes/2GJuTGPx-what-do-you-call-the-offspring-of-azir-and-kalista Or do you define importance by bringing up game balance issues? http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JYjHFaKY-i-get-a-bad-feeling-that-xin-zhao-just-got-completely-outclassed http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JYjHFaKY-i-get-a-bad-feeling-that-xin-zhao-just-got-completely-outclassed How about getting involved with the community as importance? http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/team-recruitment/bwiPF6YN-advertisement-for-the-nidalee-jungle-club

? What are these +3 upvoted threads that nobody gives a shit about

MarshbouyNov 25, 201622 votes

I could farm upvotes by contributing to the anti vayne circlejerk, i could farm upvotes by just spamming memes, i could farm upvotes by complaining about premades, i could farm upvotes by whining about how azir is gutted.

But i don't, because upvotes are worthless. If you have been here longer than 5 minutes you would know that. 4 "upvote if you hate yasuo" posts in a row on hot, the post announcing the ban of tyler1 being resigned to a life of -5k.

Troll for TrumpNov 25, 20165 votes

I mean, who doesn't hate the wind weeb?

SnowplosionNov 25, 20166 votes

Wind weeb mains. That's it.

Baron PerenoldeNov 26, 201610 votes

You forgot about crying about Mordekaiser for upvotes.

MarshbouyNov 26, 20162 votes

I did forget about that one.

AFK PushNov 27, 20161 votes

The sad thing is that by you making this point you got a lot of upvotes lol.

ManestraNov 25, 20161 votes

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Theres a solo q for normal?

lol it is normal, just mute everone, not like they are going to say anything to contribute to the victory

M Dragon14Nov 25, 20169 votes

Eh. The majority of 4 mans I've played with are chill. A few were bad, but much less likely to flame me than individuals in solo que. It's prolly the same for most people, just they didn't know they played with a 4 man.

LeetriNov 25, 20162 votes

Yeah same, 99% of the time I don't even notice that they're premade. Most of the flaming people have been solo, unless the premade people are flaming each other for some reason.

AeszarckNov 26, 20161 votes

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Yeah same, 99% of the time I don't even notice that they're premade. Most of the flaming people have been solo, unless the premade people are flaming each other for some reason.

Or they start passing names around in chat.

"hey marcus come top" "no marcus help me and dick take dragon <3" "all right mckayla"

Supreme Senpai69Nov 26, 20162 votes

Premades flame the solo player all the time. They just do it through skype or /msg. Which is totally fine with me

LeetriNov 26, 20162 votes

Yeah there's a big difference between cursing out loud/in a call with your friends and typing out a bunch of insults in-game to a complete stranger.

KeevurNov 25, 20164 votes

Had a game where we had 4 towers to the enemies 0. They aced us and then the 4 man premade surrendered. I was furious.

RavenMagusNov 26, 20163 votes

Because the hate against premades is irrational, when you A) probably play with a lot of premades that you don't notice because they aren't toxic, and B) there are plenty of hyper toxic solo players too.

jinxedchefDec 8, 20161 votes

All premades are toxic

crzymdscntstNov 26, 20163 votes

Premades definitely take a toxic edge into gameplay from the get-go usually. Though not in the normal sense. The biggest problem I've observed doesn't start with flaming or negative behavior. The problem starts with how they coordinate. While that seems counter-intuitive, it's like this:

Premade Duo goes into jungle and top. Jungler ganks top and kills the target. Then again. Then again. Then again. Suppose you watched that game and saw that the jungler did not touch a single other lane?

Despite the fact that the jungler and top had a good k/d/a ratio probably, the teamplay only composed of that single duo getting anywhere. Win OR lose, that game resulted in at least one negative outcome of gameplay balance and probably didn't help anyone else's mood or enjoyment of the match.

While there is a distinct positive outcome from most premades, there is definitely a greater downward tilt when it happens. If one goes off, they all usually go off, but I find the issue is much more the former than the latter. Refusal to play with your team as a whole over just the people you might have queued with.

ItsOrvalNov 26, 20163 votes

When your premade is feeding bot lane, then you happen to die to their bot laner when you gank, then the premade blames you. LOL

ManestraNov 25, 20162 votes

There are many variables but it is sort of frustrating when one person loses you the game. It is just annoying that 4/5 of the team can do well but all it takes is that one, very bright individual, to lose it for them all. So can you really blame them?

Kr1sysNov 25, 20162 votes

Have to avoid playing during school holidays. The premades and kids are terrible. I just got out of one where I was told I was being reported in champ select, and they were dead serious. Then they intentionally fed, flamed me and the other solo on the team, but we're held hostage by the premade. Could only be so lucky the enemy team saw it and didn't drag the game out.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 26, 20162 votes

Playing when kids are in school is usually best. But that's because kids suck at league in my experience. They're not usually as toxic as young adults. Honestly solo players and young adults are usually the more toxic than premades and kids. It just sucks because when premades do it, it's more than one when compared to the solo player