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Did Vayne sell enough Firecracker Skins yet?

ShadowBash··87 votes·16,683 views

Just curious because I'm still waiting for Riot to revert that stupid ass ult buff so I can see her past the lane phase.

Oh, and if my death recap could quit saying "Tumble 243 dmg, Silver bolts 981" once she builds rageblade that'd be sweet too. Feels great knowing there's absolutely nothing I can buy to stop her.

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Syrile46 votes

This is life now. Hyper-mobile, supreme-burst, zero risk, minimal skill requirement, champions that make people feel like they are all-powerful without half the effort that it should take. Thinking I can find another game soon enough if this keeps up.

O Fallen Scholar11 votes

Very exaggerated post. But I agree that Vayne didn't need that ult buff.

ShadowBash10 votes

No it's not exaggerated at all. I was playing juggernauts top and Vayne's were killing me in 2 seconds and my death recap always showed almost 1k damage from Silver Bolts with like 5 auto attacks. I just look at that and know the game is over because I'm the team's frontline and there's literally nothing I can buy to not get melted. In most of these games I was ahead too.

Vayne's buff was stupid. Rageblade on her is even more stupid.

Wicked Hunter1 votes

Not exaggerated at all. Getting killed in "2 seconds" as a juggernaut. Buddy I don t know what you smoked but I want that too or if isn t the case you should stop going to Disneyland. How can a Vayne kill you in 2 seconds? Do you read your own comment? But ye he s not exaggerating at all. As a top laner you should be the last one complaining when you got this stupid ass rune reworked that actually not only gives true dmg but also heals and you have champions like Jax and Riven who can 1 v 9.You don t believe me? Watch TF Blade and see what he does with Irelia Jax and not only. So stop crying on the boards and git gud lul

Tzuyu Is My Bias4 votes

Thats the problem though. So many things are broken and none of them are fun to play against. Vayne is part of the problem, as is Conqueror.

ShadowBash3 votes

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Not exaggerated at all. Getting killed in "2 seconds" as a juggernaut. Buddy I don t know what you smoked but I want that too or if isn t the case you should stop going to Disneyland. How can a Vayne kill you in 2 seconds? Do you read your own comment? But ye he s not exaggerating at all. As a top laner you should be the last one complaining when you got this stupid ass rune reworked that actually not only gives true dmg but also heals and you have champions like Jax and Riven who can 1 v 9.You don t believe me? Watch TF Blade and see what he does with Irelia Jax and not only. So stop crying on the boards and git gud lul

You clearly didn't take two seconds to see that I wasn't playing a conqueror champion, as if that even matters in the first place. And saying that TF Blade can do great things to support your "Vayne is fine" argument is one of the dumbest thing I've ever read.

But don't worry, I did take the 2 seconds to check out your profile, and unsurprisingly Vayne is your most played champion at your Silver 4 Elo. No wonder your argument sounds like a toddler wrote it.

"Stop crying on the boards and git gud lul" Actually, I'd like some of the stuff you're smoking, "buddy."

Sewer Side1 votes

Post a clip then.

Syrile5 votes

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Very exaggerated post. But I agree that Vayne didn't need that ult buff.

Not at all. This is exactly what they focus on. Instead of focusing on making the game fun for everyone, they focus on making counterplay and skill non-existent.

IkBenShteen6 votes

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Very exaggerated post. But I agree that Vayne didn't need that ult buff.

How is it even close to exaggerated. Everyone hypermobility champ packs so much damage.. So low risk for such a high reward. I'd be okay with it if we still had pink wards to counter this nonsense. Stealth is never good, especially true stealth.

Minimac20001 votes

I think teemo true stealth was pretty fine imo, never had a problem with teemo

Krys Star2 votes

You should give League a break and look at other options. I've been having lots more fun rotating League in between Apex, Overwatch and some single player games, compared to playing League day in and day out, after work, before work, etc.

League just isn't what it used to be, but it's fun in small doses. Granted, I'll stop playing League for 3-4 months before coming back to play in small doses.

Syrile1 votes

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You should give League a break and look at other options. I've been having lots more fun rotating League in between Apex, Overwatch and some single player games, compared to playing League day in and day out, after work, before work, etc.

League just isn't what it used to be, but it's fun in small doses. Granted, I'll stop playing League for 3-4 months before coming back to play in small doses.

I enjoy League when I have a team of five. But honestly, the nonsense is not going away from the looks of it and slowly I will gravitate to a game that requires more skill and strategy (like League used to) and, if nothing changes, I will move on to another game completely.

rtbf2256182411 votes

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This is life now. Hyper-mobile, supreme-burst, zero risk, minimal skill requirement, champions that make people feel like they are all-powerful without half the effort that it should take. Thinking I can find another game soon enough if this keeps up.

Minimal skill requirement? Excuse me, but i don't find orbwalking and coordination easy on a character like Vayne as you have to know what to do inbetween attacks.

Minimac20001 votes

You could just q in between auto attacks considering you can now q and invis between every single auto

rtbf2256182411 votes

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You could just q in between auto attacks considering you can now q and invis between every single auto

Pressing Q resets your commands. You have to actively click without missing on a target that is constantly moving and dodge their attacks.

ShadowBash1 votes

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Pressing Q resets your commands. You have to actively click without missing on a target that is constantly moving and dodge their attacks.

I'm not gonna say Vayne requires no skill, but I will say that as of this moment she has the second highest winrate with a 23% pick rate, so let's not pretend she's only for the mechanically gifted. She's an overloaded champion that is easy to play.

https://na.op.gg/champion/vayne/statistics/bot

rtbf2256182411 votes

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I'm not gonna say Vayne requires no skill, but I will say that as of this moment she has the second highest winrate with a 23% pick rate, so let's not pretend she's only for the mechanically gifted. She's an overloaded champion that is easy to play.

https://na.op.gg/champion/vayne/statistics/bot

Well i am only speaking from experience, being around Platinum elo for most of my time in League, i generally have faced opponents who don't die to just basic attacks.

She is obviously overpowered if she is this dominant in lower elo though mainly thanks to her W and empowered Q that can confuse those players way easier.

Paroe1 votes

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Well i am only speaking from experience, being around Platinum elo for most of my time in League, i generally have faced opponents who don't die to just basic attacks.

She is obviously overpowered if she is this dominant in lower elo though mainly thanks to her W and empowered Q that can confuse those players way easier.

51%+ with 20% pick rate is actually a high ELO statistic to my knowledge. Vayne is incredibly safe, and hits lategame at two items with the current itemization. Her safety combined with her ease of hitting her lategame means that she is nigh unstoppable unless youre running a massive bruiser-based lockdown comp explicitly designed to lock vayne down... Which is a failing strategy because when you attempt to run that many tanky CC champions YOU lack the damage to take care of them before they kill you because of how strong offense outscales defense.

A tank even is a tank behind has never been more true.

rtbf2256182411 votes

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51%+ with 20% pick rate is actually a high ELO statistic to my knowledge. Vayne is incredibly safe, and hits lategame at two items with the current itemization. Her safety combined with her ease of hitting her lategame means that she is nigh unstoppable unless youre running a massive bruiser-based lockdown comp explicitly designed to lock vayne down... Which is a failing strategy because when you attempt to run that many tanky CC champions YOU lack the damage to take care of them before they kill you because of how strong offense outscales defense.

A tank even is a tank behind has never been more true.

20% pick rate, and most of the playerbase, around 80% is below Platinum. I'd say it adds up.

Syrile1 votes

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Minimal skill requirement? Excuse me, but i don't find orbwalking and coordination easy on a character like Vayne as you have to know what to do inbetween attacks.

I have picked up most of the champions and by the second or third game went not only positive, but completely owning my lane and the mid and late games as well. For example, first time picking up Yasuo and getting first blood and second while being ganked against two people that have lots of games on their champions. Took basic knowledge of the game but very little actual skill with the champion. First time Talon, killed the enemy mage with almost no effort at all for first blood. Killed them again when they returned to lane. Dove over a wall and helped the JG secure a kill against enemy JG and chased off enemy top laner. Without going back to base or buying items. They simply did not require enough skill or effort at all.

Vayne used to require skill until they kept buffing her and now her damage is so high you can make multiple mistakes and it simply does not matter. Sylas is harder than Vayne to weave attacks properly to maximize your damage.

Romans VI XXIII16 votes

Yea super fun having 50% of your max HP dealt in true damage. Super counter playable to.

Hammermancer4 votes

I mean she's definitely too strong

But like.. who can't 1shot vayne?

Fucking soraka can 1shot vayne

Romans VI XXIII9 votes

No soraka can not 1 shot vayne.....

And she is one of the hardest champions to lock down to combo down due to her insane mobility AND invisibility. Not to mention she has a point and click knock back, with situational stun attached.

Hammermancer2 votes

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No soraka can not 1 shot vayne.....

And she is one of the hardest champions to lock down to combo down due to her insane mobility AND invisibility. Not to mention she has a point and click knock back, with situational stun attached.

If you're not running Dark harvest raka then the enemy team will never fear the reaper

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Did you seriously downvote me for agreeing but not agreeing enough?

wow you're like one of those stereotypical twitter bluechecks

but it's even lamer bc it's about league of legends XD

Romans VI XXIII4 votes

No I did not down vote you lol, but thanks for assuming I'm something I'm not with no evidence or proof.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Original Sin12 votes

Fucking soraka can 1shot vayne

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I downvoted you because your statement is pure idiocy

Hammermancer2 votes

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I downvoted you because your statement is pure idiocy

and you probably couldn't do it

not my problem though, I've done it multiple times

GigglesO1 votes

I actually downvote almost everything I read of yours. So you can add me to the list of people that downvoted your comment.

Hammermancer1 votes

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I actually downvote almost everything I read of yours. So you can add me to the list of people that downvoted your comment.

Ahh so you're the type to rage at obvious jokes while calling other people idiots

Paroe2 votes

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Ahh so you're the type to rage at obvious jokes while calling other people idiots

Did you know text doesnt translate sarcasm? Did you know that we cant read your mind?

/sarcasm is the text way to denote youre being sarcastic - otherwise, unless stated, anyone who reads your post will think what you say is 100% serious (with exceptions for context).

GigglesO1 votes

It’s gotta be pretty obvious or funny. Sadly text doesn’t convey either.

Paroe1 votes

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It’s gotta be pretty obvious or funny. Sadly text doesn’t convey either.

Like when someone begs for draven buffs because conq. was nerfed and gets responded with "All of dravens axes should micro stun for 0.25 seconds and he should get true damage based on his adoration and and and his ult should crit!" Its so over the top and ridiculous it has to be a joke.

GigglesO1 votes

I could still see that getting downvotes because its such advanced sarcasm I might think you actually want draven to microstun.

Its gotta be more like.

Sona has tiny boobs plz buff.

PrinceOfStorms3 votes

If we could nerf Vayne so that she is weaker defensively than old Sona, who had less effective HP than a melee minion, that would be fantastic.

GigglesO1 votes

alll adc's should be as squishy as sona.

Paroe1 votes

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alll adc's should be as squishy as sona.

Debatable. But all marksmen should be benchmark "squishy". They actually have 2000 or so base health, which is scary when you think about the fact most tanks have about that much or slightly less...

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

Yes. At all stages of the game, an ADC that does not build a single defensive item should have less effective HP than a melee minion. Halve their base HP and remove their base armor and MR.

Ignika D9 votes

nah the vayne main still strouggle to get gold you have to wait 1 or 2 months more, they always buff vayne for no reason at the start of the season so they dont complain all year long they didnt got gold [sg-lulu]

Hilsun9 votes

I don't understand why they can't just change the true damage to physical damage to make it so building armor would at least require her to build last whisper. % max HP true damage is such an absurd mechanic to include in the game.

ShadowBash4 votes

Because that would remove the thing that makes her unique, and Riot jerks themselves off to champions having something that distinguishes them from other champions, which is why it's unlikely that they'll ever change the ability, despite it being a healthy change.

I'm sure you've noticed but all the champions created in the past year or so have a unique mechanic that no other champion has. It didn't used to be like that, but that's also why most recent champion releases/reworks have been balancing nightmares. Unique ≠ good.

Hammermancer5 votes

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Because that would remove the thing that makes her unique, and Riot jerks themselves off to champions having something that distinguishes them from other champions, which is why it's unlikely that they'll ever change the ability, despite it being a healthy change.

She would still have absurd max%hp damage, just nerfed because it's fucking ludacrisly broken

I'm sure you've noticed but all the champions created in the past year or so have a unique mechanic that no other champion has. It didn't used to be like that, but that's also why most recent champion releases/reworks have been balancing nightmares. Unique ≠ good.

Max%physical damage is only on one other champion who is a fighter/tankbuster, so uhh... she'd still be rather unique

plus vayne's actual iconic thing is her E and her Q

hiyares2 votes

But the mechanic is not unique at all..... Tanks do percent health damage just so they can be relevant in terms of damaging others. Amumu Brand DrMundo Chogath Gnar Kaisa Vayne Maokai Ornn Poppy Illaoi Zac KogMaw Varus

I may have missed some but all of these have a %health damage mechanic in their kit . the difference with vayne is it takes 3 autos with no cd on it and it doesn't do physical or magic damage. it hits you with true damage. which if we now have conq getting nerfed every patch because of how strong it is why keep it on an adc that can move better than a kog whos entire kit relies on percent health damage which again is magic. give her a fucing passive like gnar god damn man true damage needs to be removed i mean cho has to have 6k health lvl 3 ult to do about 800 true damage if he can even get on you. and you can spell shield it.

Ragnaveil2 votes

Well, if they haven't gotten rid of it on Fiora, then idk when they'll do it to Vayne lol

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Well, if they haven't gotten rid of it on Fiora, then idk when they'll do it to Vayne lol

It's not going anywhere.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Then theres your answer.

Spooky Skeleton5 votes

R E M O V E

R A G E B L A D E

Glaricion2 votes

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REMOVE

PHANTOM HIT

+1

BrightWîngs4 votes

Damn I'm dying to Vayne too fast looks like I need build more HP to counter that true damage

Darn it she does percent health true damage so she does more damage the more HP I build

Well she does physical damage so I guess I need more armor

Darn it she does percent health true damage so my armor is ignored

Stand Still Plz3 votes

Well you can still sit in your fountain. 👍

Saevum1 votes

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