typically its the item all ad top laners rush, and who ever gets it first wins lane... I was a malphite had 3 kills on darius, had 300+ armor 2600 health and the second he got that item I couldn't 1v1 him anymore even though I was so far ahead and had so much more items then him... I mean same thing goes with 
this item is just way to strong on so many champions... its like when they get it tanks might as well not have any armor at all
Tychusfindlay9193 votesJuggernauts naturally hard counter tanks by virtue of how juggernauts operate.
They're immobile killing machines with incredibly high tank stats and base damages (and many times even great scaling along with those bases). Their main weakness is kiting.
Tanks are CC-heavy super durable machines with decent bases and low scalings. Their main weakness is simply damage as they rely on other champions to do damage. Their bases are typically high enough to pose some threat to squishies.
With those definitions in mind, juggernauts naturally and logically counter tanks. Not sure how you got to the point as malphite where you were three kills up on the darius but I'm willing to bet a very pretty penny that your jungler had something to do with it (unless that darius was really, really, REALLY, fucking braindead). Then when you decided that you were "ahead enough" to 1v1 darius, he whooped your ass to next tuesday because darius's kit counters malphites kit incredibly fucking hard due to his true damage ult and free armor pen.
Cleaver had nothing to do with this, it's an item that has been around for a while and only lends itself to being troublesome when ranged champions abuse it (fuck you riot for not making cleaver melee-only or at least making it half effective when operated by ranged users).
Roit Gums2 votesnah, its just darius that is strong with his w passive and cleaver makes your armour nothing, also he has true damage
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nah, its just darius that is strong with his w passive and cleaver makes your armour nothing, also he has true damage
I mean darius has been destroying top lane since... release... but still he wasn't able to do as much before, before I could get him down with him not doing but maybe half, then he got it and wrecked me, although I agree darius is broken beyond belief
TequilaZombie2 votesHaven't you seen release Darius? For about 3 months he was almost unbeatable in lane unless the Darius player was severely unskilled.
He's pretty much fine.
You are kinda expected to lose against a Juggernaut if you are a Tank, specially if he gets his core down.
Astôlfo2 votes"Darius is broken beyond belief"
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
Tychusfindlay9192 votesI mean darius has been destroying top lane since... release... but still he wasn't able to do as much before, before I could get him down with him not doing but maybe half, then he got it and wrecked me, although I agree darius is broken beyond belief
"broken beyond belief"
A comment that could only be uttered by someone stupid beyond belief.
SupportRiven1 votes"broken beyond belief"
A comment that could only be uttered by someone stupid beyond belief.
I mean he is played in lcs often, remember the balls penta
Tychusfindlay9191 votesI mean he is played in lcs often, remember the balls penta
That was last year. He has seen zero play this year except for a mediocre showing at an LPL match.
Astôlfo2 votesBlack Cleaver is fine on the melees because it's literally meant and balanced for them. It is not fine on ADCs that can abuse it.
Kledy McKledFace2 votesBlack Cleaver is fine on the melees because it's literally meant and balanced for them. It is not fine on ADCs that can abuse it.
they could make it melee only
Astôlfo2 votesThe issue is it pretty much kills Urgot. But ranged armorshred shouldn't have ever been a thing in the first place tbh.
Big Lincoln2 voteswhy did you mention stacking armor against Darius like that matters lol?
Darius has passive % armor pen and Cleaver is his first item. If you aren't stacking health you're going to get demolished when he pops his passive and ults you. 2600 health is absolutely nothing to Darius.
and Darius outscales you anyway
Wolfram Oxford2 votesMaybe its because Darius has a lot of dueling power in his kit while Malphite is focused on team fights and being tanky as hell. I don't see a problem with BC it provides nice damage for tanks/bruisers while making the buy not a completely greedy one by providing a small amount of health.
MLDzXnRRR1 votesOnly Riven can abuse this item from your list, because her dmg is AOE...
SupportRiven2 votesOnly Riven can abuse this item from your list, because her dmg is AOE...
all champs are aoe with
but adc's abuse it too
Requiemsfire1 votesRiven doesn't build it because she can deal damage in an area of effect, she builds it mainly against tanky champions due to it providing HP, CDR, and armour shred making it an overall ideal item to rush. If there are no tanks I think there are better items than black cleaver to rush,
MLDzXnRRR1 votesRiven doesn't build it because she can deal damage in an area of effect, she builds it mainly against tanky champions due to it providing HP, CDR, and armour shred making it an overall ideal item to rush. If there are no tanks I think there are better items than black cleaver to rush,
Every Riven rushes this. Check the statistics, if you don't believe.
Requiemsfire1 votesThe reason black cleaver is often built on Riven first is because generally in the toplane you're going to be against a tanky match up and they are going to stack armour against you. Black cleaver helps prevent them from outscaling you by shredding their armour while giving you CDR and AD that you need while raising the execution potential of her ult.
The most valuable stat for Riven on black cleaver is the CDR since it builds from Caulfields hammer and then there's just another 10% when you complete it. It adds survivability, the phage passive is okay but not very useful for RIven.
If against an entirely squishy composition, you shouldn't rushing the cleaver but instead something youmuu's ghostblade is better because it gives a better early-midgame power spike with a little less CDR and armour penetration.
Having an area of effect ability or even 2 of them does not mean that's the reason she buys it. People shouldn't just point at items and go "Oh she's abusing because such and such." when you don't really understand why they buy it in the first place.
l Dárius l1 votesWho the fuck is building cleaver on Quinn Trynd and Yorick?