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In the year 20XX, Riot creates the Lee/Jarvan/Vi bar for junglers. What do the weak junglers get?

mi ramfan·2/6/2015, 3:58:46 PM·8 votes·3,488 views

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For those of you who don't know, Riot decided in 2014 that they were going to stop the endless top lane nerf cycle by balancing every top laner around Renekton. That is, top laners who were stronger/more oppressive than Renekton in lane would get nerfs, while top laners who were weaker than Renekton and needed help would (in theory, though not really all that often in practice) get buffs. This decision became known as the infamous "Renekton bar".

Now, in the year 2015 20XX, Riot has decided that the jungle will be balanced around Lee Sin, Jarvan, and Vi. Any dedicated jungler who is weaker than the three will be buffed, while any jungler who is stronger (heh) than the three will be nerfed.

What changes does Riot make to the other dedicated junglers to put them on par with the new balance?

44 Comments

aGentleGrabnFist2/6/2015, 4:06:20 PM23 votes

Shut your gosh darn mouth. If you go around proposing legitimate potential solutions then the forums will consist entirely of posts of Sona's butt... and who wants that????

Xtremey2/6/2015, 6:37:27 PM9 votes

MasterYi q knocks them up for 1.75 seconds

Rammus q and r scale off of AD and he can go through walls with q

MonkeyKing E can be used on friendly units and wards. also he uses energy instead of mana

Khazix can activate his w again to travel to targets that he hit

Pantheon ult stuns everyone inside for 1.5 seconds

Warwick e can now dash to whoever is marked

Udyr bear stance is now a dash

Shyvana E slows by 50% for 2 seconds and gets 10/15/20/25/35/50 health returned on hit from auto attacks

Fiddlesticks can activate q again to appear on the other side of his target

Amumu q can travel to friendly units and walls

Elise gets flat damage on her skills

Nocturne spellshield cooldown halved

XinZhao can e to friendly units

Zac no longer has to charge up E, blobs heal for 8% of max health, and the scaling on his abilities are all over 75%

Troy2426212/6/2015, 4:15:29 PM4 votes

Those three really do need nerfs because their kits are just poorly designed. They have everything the jungle role needs. They're what Morello would call the Ireila of the Jungle. CC that ignores tenacity, high mobility, damage and utility packed into a kit. They stomp on counterplay and with kits like these, they shove out every specialist. It's literally boiling down to "Who does everything best right now?"

Condottiero2/7/2015, 6:32:39 AM3 votes

"What do the weak junglers get?"

nerfs

Sozan52/6/2015, 4:07:20 PM3 votes

I think that would be putting the bar too high, as current top tier junglers are really oppresive, both in jungle, ganks and even late game power.

I'd rather see the bar set lower and nerf those three accordingly.

junglerboy162/6/2015, 7:23:35 PM3 votes

Lee isn't overpowered, he is broken. there is a difference. For example, Teemo is broken, but he kind of sucks in a serious game. Ahri is OP, because she is too powerful right now (except for the incoming nerfs). Lee is like Teemo, not Ahri.

Toru Itai2/6/2015, 5:12:24 PM2 votes

fiddlesticks drain is no longer channeled, it is now uninteruptable, and he can move/use other spells wile it's going, also his ult is instant(removed the channel)

ThePlasticSpork2/6/2015, 6:15:17 PM2 votes

The thought of every jungler in the game having a kit as strong as Lee Sin's scares me.

Drunk Rummate2/6/2015, 6:24:23 PM2 votes

you can use smite to teleport from the fountain to a jungle camp on a 4 minute cooldown. does not consume a smite charge.

suddenly, all those junglers who struggle on first clear are viable again.

Bears Dont Care2/7/2015, 3:22:05 AM2 votes

Evelynn ult can now actually kill people as it is maximum health based. E is now magic based. Q given higher vase damagr. Same for E

Now she is viable again.

Warwick. Q remains the same. W is a pbaoe fear E is now a movement speed buff. R has ult cd reduced. Base damage returned.

Seriously his items were nerfed.

WooBeeWoo2/6/2015, 4:50:18 PM2 votes

Naut needs a little more early game damage. Something that gives him some dueling potential (not saying he should be a duelist just something to help protect an invade) from levels 1-5, he also needs mobility. Almost every jungler that can only get over a wall with flash will need a wall jump ability with lee vi j4 and even kha and elise when they were top tier can all hop in a drag pit and try to steal saving flash similarly thats gives engage etc. Naut could have an updated q that goes through walls if its within a certain distance of him but attaches if its farther away. Those two changes would make him better at getting through early game and having influence on the map.

SmokingPuffin2/6/2015, 7:29:44 PM2 votes

This is Renekton Bar 2.0.

Same results should be expected until proven otherwise.

Nuparu2/6/2015, 7:56:27 PM2 votes

MasterYi His second double strike now heals him for 100% of damage done. Aatrox His ult now triggers his heal from every target (and he gets back his +HP boost from a long time ago) Elise She gets actual stats back. Evelynn ^ Hecarim His heal no longer has a healing cap. Khazix return to original days with spike leaps and %missing Qs Rengar no ! mark anymore, his W has real base healing Shaco more damageeee Udyr his bear stance now is a 400 range lunge + a stun when in aa range XinZhao his Q now will bring him an extra 50 units closer every time it procs, and has 225 range Zac rip smite blobs, his ult grants him passive spellvamp

Linna Excel2/6/2015, 8:02:19 PM2 votes

They are balancing for LCS viewers. That's it.

windwolf7772/6/2015, 7:44:43 PM1 votes

This is some dota style balancing . And I LOVE THAT!! :) (Powercreep ftw!) Anyway, first champion MasterYi One or two buffs of something along the lines of: Double strike attacks stun monsters. (No longer needing the Krugg buffs) Attacks with Wuju Style active stun monsters/give additional lifesteal (monsters only again) Meditate gives quill coat passive (some reason quill coat isn't in the item chat thing down at the bottom. No idea why though) Double strike attacks have (INSANE amount) of lifesteal for HP sustain Q Has some sort of CC/increase the already increased damage on monsters. (Attack Slows, Knock-up, Stun, Additional damage bonus)

Second champ Udyr I don't think he needs anything. Has turtle for sustain, phoenix for aoe clear, tiger for single target damage, and bear for ganking/stunning/and holding buffs in place

MrSc0tty2/6/2015, 5:08:02 PM1 votes

Well, for starters Nautilus would need:

50% more projectile speed on Q Anchor marks people, and he can recast to pull them in Champs hit with ult now fly backwards until they hit terrain.

That's nautilus at the Lee sin bar.

lojician2/6/2015, 6:31:12 PM1 votes

You understand that renekton is shit and riot makes 0 attempt to nerf the champions that push him and his class out of top lane. The message to take away from the whole thing is that riot are liars, not any insight into the actual balance process.

Dingding1232/6/2015, 5:51:09 PM1 votes

Renekton's Ruthless Predator counts towards multiple stacks of the Krugs buff.

OWAIT

Regulas2/6/2015, 8:42:49 PM1 votes

Hey at least it's three champions instead of just Elise (dethroned!) and Lee.

ScreamPaste2/6/2015, 7:23:55 PM1 votes

Make Shaco's boxes last 90 seconds again, and buff the slow on his E.

cFlame2/6/2015, 11:05:45 PM1 votes

Always remember how Warwick was nerfed, and how Udyr is going to get gutted guys. Play Udyr while you can, Riot isn't gonna let you live long.