I'm okay with LeBlanc bursting me for 1435 +3.6 AP

mi ramfan·6/3/2015, 8:03:26 PM·148 votes·7,653 views

But if she fails to kill me, then there should be a significant window for me to punish her, not "lol nope I instajump back out".

I'm fine with that burst value if and only if there is a large counterplay window if she fails to get the kill.

I'm also fine with her keeping instajump on W if she loses a chunk of her burst.

But the way she is now is just incredibly stupid to deal with.

130 Comments

jDVL20eCYs6/3/2015, 8:08:34 PM24 votes

and people complain about ekkos burst haha

killd0zer6/3/2015, 8:21:11 PM11 votes

I'm bad

Damn usually people keep that to themselves

Morgan Slaveman6/3/2015, 8:11:15 PM10 votes

Make W able to be used to return to its original location only on kill or assist.

Fakinaway6/4/2015, 1:38:48 AM10 votes

if they nerfed zed with 1 second before going back to shadow, they should do the same for lb whose abilities are easier to land

Ixoziel6/3/2015, 8:18:54 PM4 votes

I think they should just remove her being able to teleport back on her standard W. let her do it during her ult. That would give it a unique feature instead of "just more damage". Boom, she doesn't have 100% safe harass in lane anymore. She has to commit or use ult if she wants to go back. Even with this change, she would still be safe in lane as long as she doesn't use W at bad times. Except now it might actually be possible to gank her as someone other than Lee Sin.

Alternatively, change her passive. Why does she have such a great defensive passive when she's ranged with two blinks (flash-like abilities)? It's bad enough that it's nearly impossible to catch her, but when you finally do, she often just goes invisible, then bursts you afterwards.

Penguin Eclipse6/4/2015, 1:56:09 AM4 votes

And this is one of the problems with balancing LeBlanc. Her kit is very hard to balance because she is designed to get in, assassinate a single target, and get back out before her enemy can kill her. If you nerf her damage so she can't fulfill her role as an assassin, she's worthless as that is literally all she brings to the table other than mobility. If you nerf her mobility, she'll die and be equally as worthless because she was not designed to stay and fight. Her kit is literally designed to avoid getting caught. Hence her clone, invisibility, and mobility. Her abilities are designed to be used in a rapid combo to get in and get out. If she is forced to stay and fight, she has nothing. No abilities off CD. No shields, heals, tanky stats, untargetables/invulnerable abilities, nothing. Her passive will kick in, but without distortion it won't really matter because she will be dead.

Spizzle90006/3/2015, 8:13:03 PM3 votes

She's bursty, but if you can get some good ol' perma-cc (which this meta is basically made of), then she can't do a thing.

hiddenher06/4/2015, 5:13:23 AM3 votes

So I've read a lot of the comments (mostly on the first page) and I have a lot to say about her. In general I agree that I do not mind her burst damage, but I agree that she has no risk. Jump in and damage, jump out.

"Time your reaction, CC her, build MR" are the responses most people make but there are problems with all of these.

  1. "Time your reaction" What reaction do I get. She jumps in and jumps back out. I've tried several times in game to continue the engage, but since I walked closer (because I know shes going to jump back), I end up staying in range for the ethereal chains 2nd proc. WOW I just took more damage and got rooted and still did no damage. No not many champions have a gap closer the same distance as LBs distance. Even if you use the gap closer, you get rooted and she still walks. Still taking barely any damage and now you got hit by the full combo.

  2. "CC her" It was said earlier, but it's like stunning during a flash. She gets stunned but still jumped back, and woops now your stun is on cooldown. (It will take longer than the 1 second stun to walk towards her.)

  3. "Build MR" Why should you be punished by changing your build-path just to survive. The enemy LB will NOT be buying MR or armor because she's not getting hit (which is the main discussion for this topic).

Other things I thought about: Another thing not discussed here is her ultimate. Should you actually close the gap, her ult is distortion! Jump away! Any champion with skill shots loses or melee loses. Period. Couterpick her? Am I dependent on a last pick mid laner? Solo-Queue isn't that coordinated. Actually catching up to her and hitting her? She has her passive! Now she's invisible for a second and you still can't kill her because distortions cooldown is probably refreshed.

I liked the thought that she couldn't jump out right away, but the delay doesn't even have to be long. Half a second is at least long enough to do a little damage to her. Anything else? Feel free to give your rebuttals, these are just my thoughts. By no means do I think she is overpowered. She is just powerful enough, but just has too much mobility and next to no counter for a fair fight