PSA to players from a support main

Mr Zablinx··92 votes·5,415 views

Since support is one of those roles that most players would rather not play, and thus might be somewhat unfamiliar to some players I just wanted to take time to give people some quick tips when playing as and with a support.

DISCLAIMER: I am not an amazing diamond 1 support, but I have played the role for a long time, so I know the many basics that revolve around it.

  1. Try not to be harsh on them. Unless you are like people like me who put support as the primary role, most people playing support probably got it as a secondary role. It's not their main role and as we all know, players are more comfortable with their main roles. Thresh misses a hook? Don't tell him how bad he is.

  2. Relic shield exists. If you see orbs circling your support and they are trying to hit minions, let them, especially the catapult creeps. They aren't trying to steal your farm, they are trying to proc the shield, (for those who don't know, relic shield lets you execute a minion at a certain level with melee that procs a tiny heal and shares the gold of that minion, ranged supports actually have to last hit it).

  3. Your support is warding. Just because you see them with a full item 2049 leaving the base 20 minutes in doesn't mean they haven't been using it.

  4. Just because you die to gank all the way out in bot lane by yourself does not mean you did not have vision. Pay attention to that minimap. It gives SOOO much more information then people realize.

  5. You have wards as well. Most people like to simply dump warding all on the support. Don't do that. Early game, everyone's gonna be starting with yellow trinket, use it. Playing top and river is dark? Put a ward there at the safest convenience you can. Playing mid with both sides of the river dark? Put a ward over the wall on either side and hug that side you warded. Don't try to get the support to come from their lane to yours to ward. And please don't use the "It's going to waste my money and put me back items" excuse. item 2043 is 75 gold. item 3363 is free and lets you place a free ward from a huge range. A small price to pay for having vision of an area that can prevent a death.

  6. Click thresh's lantern. No really, click it. This is both a joke and a serious statement. This dude has been around for 3 YEARS and people still don't know what his lantern does. If you are unfamiliar with the support you have, ask them about it. More likely then not, that player is gonna tell you what they do and this will lead to better communication in lane and team fights. Ex. TahmKench When you see the little fishy symbol turn red on the enemy, i can eat and stun them.

  7. Your support is playing a support. Unless they play someone like Brand or Annie, your support is unlikely to have a lot of kills, if any. They WILL however, have a lot of assists, and if they are initiators, a lot of deaths. So, if you end up losing a game, don't automatically point to the support's kda as a symbol of them being bad or why you lost. On average supports are going to have the highest deaths per team. The only role that on average has higher deaths is, guess who, your ad carry. http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/role

  8. Tell them thank you. Support is probably one of the hardest roles, not just in lol, but in mobas. A lot of people really do not understand the complexity of the role and often will think its easy (and end up doing poorly) or simply bash it. The last thing you wanna do is make your support feel like nothing and leave the game, especially in the lower elos.

Thank you to those who read the entire thing. I'm sorry if some people might see it as a rant or disagree with what I stated, but it had to be said. It getting harder and harder to play support champs in solo que, especially in ranked(there is a reason why no one wants to put support as a role, you are going to get it almost 99% of the time). I love champs like Thresh and Leona, but i'm not sure if its worth getting yelled at for 20+ minutes because i've got teammates who don't understand the role.

84 Comments

Ackelope24 votes

The amount of times I've witnessed a Thresh miss the siege minion with Relic Shield has scarred me for life.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

If they miss it, they're probably harassing pretty hard. So it's forgivable.

. . . At least, I hope that is the case.

Ackelope3 votes

Well, when I say this I don't mean they missed it because they were busy harassing, that is fine with me. What I'm talking about is when they don't understand that Thresh's AAs don't trigger the execution damage, and they end up losing the minion while trying to last hit it.

i cri evertim

Ariel the Cruel8 votes

I'm referring to the bonus damage on Flay. If they're not using it on minions, I hope they're using it on champions. (>_>)

Birefringence1 votes

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If they miss it, they're probably harassing pretty hard. So it's forgivable.

. . . At least, I hope that is the case.

It's soul-crushing when they don't harass AND don't let me proc relic shield.. :x

Tokala134 votes

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The amount of times I've witnessed a Thresh miss the siege minion with Relic Shield has scarred me for life.

Yeah I know that pain, I quit buying relic shield on thresh and just ran coin for the sake of the "Only melee attacks get execute" thing. XD Then again I stink with Thresh also.

As a support main myself though it makes me smile to see someone defending the support players out there.

Arkatra1 votes

Play Kalista. I'm learning Kalista's jump kiting, so i try to pick her often, and my friend's one of my picked support is Bard, Thresh, Nami, Janna. I don' have to mention which one he picks if i go with Kalista. If i see he missed one, then in the future i just auoattack it right before he would take it. My W passive will active Thresh's Relic ... No more minion miss! x) Problems start when you're not with Kalista to help these Thresh players out a bit.

Ackelope1 votes

Maybe I would, but I really don't enjoy Kalista very much as of now :P

SH Azykan12 votes

Note to people who don't play thresh often but get forced to support and want to pick him item 3301 is still a very viable start if you are not comfortable last hitting on him or if you purely want to use your E passive for harass. You have better self sustain with it but you have a weaker all in. item 3069 item 3190 item 3143 item 3512 item 2045 item 3158 item 3364 is an extraordinary build as thresh, talisman is great for catching up to make a pick or to disengage. Locket shield, randuins slow, zzrot map pressure, ruby sightstone to lower all the active cd's

You do not HAVE to go relic shield, and if the game goes late enough to where slot efficiency is an issue you can sell talisman for a item 3800 but it rarely will.

Mr Zablinx2 votes

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Note to people who don't play thresh often but get forced to support and want to pick him item 3301 is still a very viable start if you are not comfortable last hitting on him or if you purely want to use your E passive for harass. You have better self sustain with it but you have a weaker all in. item 3069 item 3190 item 3143 item 3512 item 2045 item 3158 item 3364 is an extraordinary build as thresh, talisman is great for catching up to make a pick or to disengage. Locket shield, randuins slow, zzrot map pressure, ruby sightstone to lower all the active cd's

You do not HAVE to go relic shield, and if the game goes late enough to where slot efficiency is an issue you can sell talisman for a item 3800 but it rarely will.

Very good point, I simply bring up relic shield as it is the one most people will probably see, since it is on the recommended and because it can often lead to your adc thinking your trying to "Steal" farm. It's also a great tank item, given that tankiness if often really important in team fights.

SH Azykan2 votes

for sure, just wanted to hijack your thread for an extra tip from an ex-support main (jg/mid have more map pressure right now which is what I like). Since a lot of non-support mains that play thresh can seriously screw up farm for their adc if they aren't used to last hitting with him for relic P:

Maximum Morde9 votes

When people take my seige minion while i have relic shield, I just take some lane minions to compensate. Usually they learn to share at that point, or they get super toxic and I get to report them. Either way I win.

Searno2 votes

You know what's worse

When your support has relic up and you're literally spam pinging them to hit it

And then it just dies because no one took it...

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

I try autoing the siege minion twice to let them know it's mine.... they start shooting it at the last minute with low health not even last hitting and my auto doesn't get the execute in time. =(

Ackelope3 votes

I think it's safe to say that both ADC and Support players have issues with each other's usage/respect of Relic Shield...

Arkatra2 votes

I'm an ADC main, who used to be a support main (290k Thresh points, most of the support lvl5). Whenever i'm playing together with a Relic user support and a cannon minion coming, i left click (yep, left click is select) on my support, you can see his Relic shield stacks and "the time" until the next charge. If the charge won't get up in time i'm taking the cannon, if i see it's going to up i'm pinging the cannon and do not attack it at all, so he'll get his charge up and take it for me.

I hope if this post will help people timing the relic, you can see it if you click on your support, and that little sustain is always good to have with the maximum income for the support ...

Searno1 votes

The thing is I know that But sometimes I get those people in game who completely ignore cannon minions and just don't hit a single one for gold even with a stack up... I'm like what

CrazedPorcupine8 votes

Can I just say I love you?

As a long time support main, I cannot tell you how much I have had to argue with my team over all of these exact points.

Face The Sun3 votes

the warding gets me every time, "why are there no wards on the map," me with a sightstone the whole game preventing ganks and securing vision for dragon for the past 20 minutes. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Ageless Nocturne6 votes

Your post well-written. +1

Beldair5 votes

Extra Point:

When you are low health and you see the support turn and engage the enemy, don't turn around and fight....he is doing this so you can escape. It is what supports like to call "Sacrifice".

Idk how many times i've turned to throw myself into the enemy and my teammate jumps in too...

CR4ZYRONDH4VI4 votes

Great post. Honestly this post should get a ton of upvotes so more people can see it.

Athenes Lulu3 votes

I should add one more:

Know your support's limits. This is probably not as common as OP's other points, but some champs can do certain things, while others can't. So if you died and the support can't necessarily save you, it's not always the support's fault. For instance, Leona is a frontliner; don't expect her to peel for you just because you are grabbed by Blitz. I am a backliner and have no lockdowns, so don't expect me to singlehandedly lock down that enemy ADC and let me do the work for you; you have to do something on your own. If your support has been in lane for 10+ minutes, and is a mana-spammy support, don't expect him to save you when he is clearly OOM. You get the point, but we can't do everything, especially from player stupidity.

Jreyes4563 votes

When people forget that supp also have cooldowns to their moves.

Dispelle1 votes

I just had a game like that. Then KogMaw said "stop using it." Sona : "Stop using what? my heal??" KogMaw : "Yes, b/c when I need it you never have it."

Yeah, you obviously aren't paying attn to how often you've been needing it. -.-

RIPxMidnight2 votes

Great post and all but can we just stop for a second and observe how in the link you posted Mid Lane has the lowest average gold earned and Support has the second highest?

That can't be right.

Mr Zablinx2 votes

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Great post and all but can we just stop for a second and observe how in the link you posted Mid Lane has the lowest average gold earned and Support has the second highest?

That can't be right.

Supports get a lot of assists. Those assists, combined with certain masteries and gold income items (relic shield, ancient coin) can get them decent gold without having to actually sit in a lane and farm. Also keep in mind that mid, after a certain point, sometimes roams. They might roam top and bot, sometimes securing a kill, but sometimes not. Essentially, they will spend less time farming compared to the other lanes and will be more mobile.

Meserion2 votes

I ban Thresh everytime I get a chance.. he is the master of cheese plays :(

QjTHqo3RTq1 votes

It's not cheese if it's skill sir, Leona is cheese

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

By skill you mean level 2 advantage flash exhaust combo for first blood then you might be correct.

Mhihnj1 votes

actually first you flash then pull the adc(or the supp if the supp is also squishy)then hook them. most adc's will blow that flash and if you can't predict it, there goes you flash,exhaust and hook all at the same time

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Depends on how far they are. I like to be bad and pointblank Q so I have less cooldown so I could catch the support for a double.

QjTHqo3RTq1 votes

So because a champion can blow two summoners and kill you, he's cheese. So I see, tell me, have you seen this child? Annie

Lauchmelder1 votes

Leona lanes are one of the easiest to beat for me.

Pick Thresh, proceed to Flay her Zenith Blade.

Mr Zablinx1 votes

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Leona lanes are one of the easiest to beat for me.

Pick Thresh, proceed to Flay her Zenith Blade.

I hate laning against leona tbh. All of her kit is just so good at peel, engage, and disengage. I have to tie a band around my head, al la karate kid, when i go thresh against leona.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Well basically what you gonna try against her (when playing Thresh) is wait until she tries to engage and Flay (E) her Zenith Blade (E) the second it flies towards you. If you did it correct she should be too far away to proc her stun.

After that you just Hook her ADC (wait out her stun first though).

In the last 10 games I played against a Leona in ranked she tried to engage an average of 5 times which I denied most of just by Flaying her back at the right time before giving up. After that the lane is pretty much won because the Leona can't engage properly while you have the freedom to do w/e you want. The only thing that could help her and her ADC is a gank.

QjTHqo3RTq1 votes

You say hook the adc as if she isn't literally inside of you the entire engage, and leaving you adc behind with a leona is a death sentence, since she'll never move.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Most ADCs just wait until Leona can get her engage right and then start their own attacks. If you shut down Leonas engage you can just hook the ADC, get some poke on and repeat the process.

You will get to a Point where the Leona won't even try to engage on your botlane because she can't get her full Combo off. And if she can't do that in lane you essentially won.

Arkatra3 votes

If you're low elo and you really want to bann a "play maker hooker", i would recommend to bann Blitz instead of Thresh. That guy is a bigger threat in low elo's adcs.

Thresh may finally land a hook, your adc may won't follow. Blitzcrank may finally land a grab, putting your adc right into the enemy ADC, who can rightlick on him if not doing anything else + minionagro. That one hook enough to burn your ADC flash, or may still get killed over that.

Mr Zablinx1 votes

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If you're low elo and you really want to bann a "play maker hooker", i would recommend to bann Blitz instead of Thresh. That guy is a bigger threat in low elo's adcs.

Thresh may finally land a hook, your adc may won't follow. Blitzcrank may finally land a grab, putting your adc right into the enemy ADC, who can rightlick on him if not doing anything else + minionagro. That one hook enough to burn your ADC flash, or may still get killed over that.

I've preferred thresh a little bit more because he offers alot more cc and choice imo then blitz. Blitz is going to pull whoever is grab lands on. that means anyone from an adc to an amunu. With thresh, ive I land a hook, I can make a choice if i wanna go in or not. Not to mention Thresh can not only engage like Blitz, but he can disengage really well, something I find Blitz has trouble doing sometimes.

Arkatra1 votes

But in lower Elo, if they want to ban one from both, i would recommend Blitz. A good Thresh won't stay in low elo so long. In higher, noone will bann a support. (while Janna is kind of bann worthy)

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

Implying that they're not AP blitz that full combo kills them instantly without help. =p

Linthe2 votes

Adding to #1... Don't keep telling me to "hook the other ADC"... If I see a hook opening, Ill throw it and do my best to land it.

But if they are consistently keeping minions between me and them, throwing the hook is only going to drag a minion and waste a CD and some mana.

And you repeatedly telling me to hook the ADC... not helping with any of that...

okino1 votes

i like playing supp... but i think it's only cuz i'm a lazy bastard that doesn't wanna make the "plays" that wouldn't happen even if i tried :D ... ;_;

Mistress Madoka1 votes

The plays wouldn't happen if the Support didn't set them up :P

Face The Sun2 votes

Leona FEEL THE SUN MOTHER F*CKER!

V The Support V1 votes

item 3151

This... Is.... Beautiful.

Thank You.

morris11 votes

So beautiful your eyes started bleeding?

V The Support V1 votes

^^^^ Might even go so far as to say "Too Beautiful".

morris12 votes

Art is worth the pain.

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