"Vayne is balanced"

hoganftw·Aug 15, 2015·1 votes·1,032 views

>b-but she has low AA range >b-but she has a bad early game

5 Comments

EndlessSorcererAug 15, 20152 votes

No one intelligent argues that she has low autoattack range, considering that 550 is standard for ADCs.

Vayne has "short range" because she has no abilities which allow her to affect enemies outside of her autoattack range.

Ashe WR Corki QR Caitlyn QR Draven ER Ezreal QWR Graves QR Jinx WR Kalista Q KogMaw QER Lucian QWR (Targeting a minion) MissFortune QR (Bounce Q off a minion) Quinn Q Sivir QW Urgot QE Varus QER

Tristana and Twitch are the only other ADCs who can't affect enemies outside of their autoattack range and both have abilities which can extend their autoattack range significantly.

stuartk11Aug 15, 20152 votes

She is "short ranged" in the sense of having little to attack with outside of her auto-attack range.

For the poor early game, I have to begrudgingly agree with. Her early game is actually fine.

Pentarina OnlyAug 15, 20151 votes

Oh boy another Vayne QQ thread. Vayne does have a horrible early game.

IcyPepperAug 15, 20151 votes

Her bad early game depends on how well her enemy can take advantage of it.

She's not bad, it's just that her tools help baby her (her Q's mobility and her E for peel/cc. Used correctly, it can snowball her early if her opponents makes a mistake. Otherwise, most people are going to put at least 3 points into her W early so she's going to have longer periods of vulnerability until after level 6).

Is Vayne helpless early game? No. Is Vayne safe early game? Yes. Does she have a bad early game? Yes, she just doesn't deal as much damage early and she can't bully as much as champions with better early burst and range.

The whole " low aa range/bad early game" deal is more about what she's not good at rather than what she's bad at. Most adc's have at least one of those as an advantage, and pressing it (instead of just farming) is the key to winning. Picked Graves? Bully Vayne with more burst. Picked Jinx or Caitlyn? Bully her with better range. Vayne can and will win trades, but she can't poke with the best or all-in against the best on even ground.