What should i buy vs % champs like vayne and kog?

IamJJok3R··4 votes·1,026 views

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Golden Crow6 votes

Frozen heart, then randuin's omen. They stack. Exhaust slows their attack speed as well... and their damage.

redfeenix1 votes

Nice thanks

Hyrum Graff3 votes

TehNacho noted that one option is to try to coordinate with your team's burstiest members to kill them quickly. Particularly, Kog needs to stand still to deal max dps (unless you're that crazy Korean player), so he's very vulnerable. I want to note that there actually are quite a few items that work well to reduce the damage you take from Vayne/Kog.

Both of them are attack speed dependent, so buying both a Frozen Heart and a Randuin's Omen is a good idea. Both also buy a lot of attack speed so thornmail, which now deals damage based on your own armor in addition to their damage, is a good buy.

Kog'Maw's % damage is magical, so picking up a bansee's veil and maybe also a locket (if your support doesn't have one or if they will be too far away from you to give you the aura) goes a long way in addition to the armor and AS slow items.

Although Vayne does a lot of true damage, around 2/3 of her damage is still physical, so traditional armor items -- dead man's plate and sunfire cape -- are still good vs her, just not quit as good. If she buys a lot of crit, you can get two Randuin's for the stacking crit reduction, though usually with FH/Thornmail/Randuins/boots you want to pick your last two items to finish 40% cdr.

Which brings me to my last point: you can max out your cdr. If they're cc'd, they're not dealing damage.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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TehNacho noted that one option is to try to coordinate with your team's burstiest members to kill them quickly. Particularly, Kog needs to stand still to deal max dps (unless you're that crazy Korean player), so he's very vulnerable. I want to note that there actually are quite a few items that work well to reduce the damage you take from Vayne/Kog.

Both of them are attack speed dependent, so buying both a Frozen Heart and a Randuin's Omen is a good idea. Both also buy a lot of attack speed so thornmail, which now deals damage based on your own armor in addition to their damage, is a good buy.

Kog'Maw's % damage is magical, so picking up a bansee's veil and maybe also a locket (if your support doesn't have one or if they will be too far away from you to give you the aura) goes a long way in addition to the armor and AS slow items.

Although Vayne does a lot of true damage, around 2/3 of her damage is still physical, so traditional armor items -- dead man's plate and sunfire cape -- are still good vs her, just not quit as good. If she buys a lot of crit, you can get two Randuin's for the stacking crit reduction, though usually with FH/Thornmail/Randuins/boots you want to pick your last two items to finish 40% cdr.

Which brings me to my last point: you can max out your cdr. If they're cc'd, they're not dealing damage.

I mean, kog doesn't actually have to stand still, knowing just a little bit of how to cancel his autos is enough to get you koving somewhat while playing him.

That's just what I've been doing.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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I mean, kog doesn't actually have to stand still, knowing just a little bit of how to cancel his autos is enough to get you koving somewhat while playing him.

That's just what I've been doing.

When he has low AS you can still kite. If you can get max dps with 5.0 attack speed, you are a god.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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When he has low AS you can still kite. If you can get max dps with 5.0 attack speed, you are a god.

I mean, nobody really ever pushes him above 4.0 AS in the first place.

venomous frost3 votes

if you are a tank, get a good engage on them or hope your team has an assassin.

Caítlyn2 votes

You buy damage. Malphite with only item 3027 can basically 100-0 her and so can most tanks.

UnbeatablePlayer1 votes

Shhhh malphs a slut

redfeenix2 votes

Buy a condom cuz you about to get fked

SaltyKracka2 votes

Damage.

Support Bοt1 votes

True and % damage comes into bar. Knock knock

-Go away true and % damage, there is no counter for u - said barman.

UnbeatablePlayer1 votes

You knock on bar doors?

Bootleg Gay1 votes

Can't buy anything against Vayne; just hope that you can kill her first.

Kog'Maw deals this damage in magical, so grab a item 3065 oritem 3156

JayHog19921 votes

Frozen heart is the only thing that comes into mind since they rely on attack speed to pull those off. But you can't stack those, so...

TehNACHO1 votes

Damage.

These champs are specifically designed to cut through defense; buying defense to counter them is backwards thinking.

If you are the primary tank of the team and can't buy defense without compromising the team, buy anything and center your play style around the Burst Carry of the team. Usually the Mid Laner, just make sure to complement whoever is best designed to kill a squishy and either give them as much breathing room as they want away from the enemy team, or set them up perfectly to go on the offense.

Verdade1 votes

You buy pink ward and Omen/Heart against Vayne Omen/Heart against Kog as well, and you also need hard initiation or great assassin.

TequilaZombie1 votes

item 3142 item 3072 item 3033 item 3147 ... Ohh wait, you mean as a tank? Sorry son, either you are an assassin who will one shot them or you're dead.

MoarCowbell981 votes

well if you are a tank you have lock down usually. maokai has point and click lockdown no less. rammus as well.

get on top of them and have your team fuck them.

1 v 1 of course you are goign to struggle late game vs these champs, but adcs are at their peak late game for how shitty their early game is.

La Barbotte1 votes

overwatch

Inting Pillow1 votes

health

Teemo reccomends

TyroneWatermelon1 votes

Whatever you buy it only reduces their power very slightly. And you can't dodge right clicks.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

2 options, hinder them as much as possible with item 3110 item 3143 item 3047 item 3102

or go ham and try to kill them item 3075 item 3068 item 3025

unfortunately neither builds are optimal for killing carries as they are meant to be tank shredders, but basically the things you dont want to be buying are full health items.

Beuhlakor1 votes

Same as always. Tank items (if you are playing a champion that can build them).

Vayne has % true damages but most of her damages are still physical therefore getting armor is a good thing (especially since how brutal Tumble is once she gets a couple of items). Getting item 3110 and/or item 3143 is very good against her.

Kog'maw is a machine gun but he has no true damages (except on his passive and who cares about that). He also deals a fair amount of magic damages, therefore, getting a mix of armor and magic resist is a good idea. Also, because he relies so much on AS, consider buying item 3143 / item 3110 / item 3065 against him.

In any case, don't forget that both champions will still have brutal damages. These items will, in most cases, help you to buy time for your team to deal with Vayne / Kog'maw but only a few selected champions that build tanky will be able to kill Kog'maw and Vayne on there own, especially in lategame.

Papa Slothy1 votes

randuins slowing attack speed stacking with an exhaust really messes them up

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