This Nunu change is an example of Riot not thinking through their changes.

LGBTCute·10/5/2016, 12:05:43 AM·11 votes·893 views

Here's the change in a nutshell, and why it's going to make Nunu very weak.

  1. Bonus move speed changed to out-of-combat movement speed.

Nunu's thing is counter-jungling. OOC MS sounds good in theory, but you're going to rarely have that when attacking camps constantly, not to mention contesting (i.e. fighting the enemy jungler).

  1. No more attack damage bonus.

Alright, once again, counter-jungling means you have to fight sometimes, and you have to clear camps quickly. This change hurts both.

  1. Only gain a bonus on Large Monsters.

This one is the worst, and a prime example of the deepest, biggest flaw in Riot's attitude towards video game design.

Support Nunu, which was niche but semi-viable, is now dead. Top Nunu is viable at the highest elos. It is also hurt bad by this change. Essentially dead as well.

A video game designers main goal is to create meaningful choices. CREATE CHOICES. Not restrict them. Forcing champions to max a specific ability (Taliyah) or forcing a champion into a specific role (the Mordekaiser rework) is something that should never be done. There should always, always be opportunities for players to seek out and create unique strategies, or discover new ways to use a champion.

I don't think Jungle Nunu will be "ruined" by this change, but the change is evidence that Riot:

  1. Doesn't actually play the game enough to understand the implications of their changes.

  2. Is trying to force players to do things one specific way, instead of creating meaningful decision making.

I don't like this trend. The worst part of this specific change is that it doesn't even accomplish the goal of fixing any of the (perceived) problems with Nunu.

15 Comments

Leo102410/5/2016, 12:14:24 AM3 votes

it would take a complete rework to completely fix him, this is most likely a filler for a future rework, of course he has to wait in line since other champions are prioritized for reworks and vgu's, besides the reason he has such a low winrate is because people keep trying to play him support

Meep Man10/5/2016, 12:17:03 PM3 votes

How do the Q changes hurt Support Nunu? Also, you didn't even look at the R change.

DemoGuide10/5/2016, 8:20:53 AM2 votes

I am mostly afraid about him losing 1% max hp damage on autos. Otherwise im kinda fine with the changes. But losing that source of damage is kinda big for nunu, and i think these changes hurt him more than help.

WoonStruck10/5/2016, 10:25:09 PM2 votes

They buffed Nunu's base and scaling AD significantly. He's one of the highest base AD champs in the game now.

Considering this opens up Sterak's as a very, very, very strong item on him, I'd say its fine.

Hell, Trinity Force might even be good on him now due to his insanely low CD E that they gave him, making him a huge, tanky, mixed damage perma-slowing threat from just his W and E that's practically a waste to peel off of your carry/frontline compared to the others that will be gunning for them.

MunchCrunchLunch10/5/2016, 10:23:42 PM1 votes

nunu low winrate is due to top and support nunu. whih most of them are trolls.

PhDs Nuts10/6/2016, 8:45:36 AM1 votes

Support Nunu has been dead for 2+ years now tbh