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If Phantom Dancer is supposed to be a dueling item...

Terminus Edge·9/2/2016, 8:07:30 PM·62 votes·4,147 views

Unique Passive - Lament: Attacking an enemy champion causes them to deal 2% less damage to you. This effect stacks up to 5 times, and attacking a new target resets the stacks (stacks fade after 10 seconds of not attacking).

(This effect is applied like Vayne's Silver Bolts in regards to interactions with things like Runaan's.)

I mean, PD already gives the best raw stats of all the Zeal upgrades while being cheaper than them to boot. An instant 12% damage mitigation from whoever you attack is rather excessive on top of that.

Having to actually be dueling someone to get the full effect of the mitigation seems like a logical step to me. Plus, seeing as it gives the most Attack Speed of the Zeal upgrades anyway, it's already designed to hit things quickly in a short time anyway.

(Also, why are the two passives on PD named? There are no other items in the game that have either passive...)

64 Comments

lofi n chillhop9/3/2016, 1:22:43 AM25 votes

TBH for an adc phantom dancer is the lowest damage. it's nice it has 5% extra attack over the second best... but the others all have extra damage on their passive effect that just puts phantom dancer to be on-par. IMO right now all the zeal items are equally viable as a whole, and some champs work better with some and others with others.

Jonxx9/2/2016, 10:51:28 PM11 votes

That's good idea, but imo final effect should be a little better, to compensate. For example make each stack 3% with up to 5 stacks.

Troll for Trump9/3/2016, 6:43:22 AM9 votes

It's cuz ADCs need raw AD to deal dmg, with exceptions however. A larger problem is when Bruiser builds abuse it, the most problematic one being Yasuo. He gets a PD and is at a ridiculously high crit chance due to his passive. The dmg reduc only furthers his "tanky while dealing dmg"(aka bruiser)ness.

Dr Poro9/3/2016, 12:59:15 AM4 votes

That would make it even better for AS bruisers compared to ADCs. As a squishy, you need the defence immediately or you get blown up.

Spoofghoul9/2/2016, 9:57:35 PM3 votes

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(Also, why are the two passives on PD named? There are no other items in the game that have either passive...)

except for item 3046 i can now hit you for 72% damage reduction

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

not that full phantomdancer would be viable but still grabbing 2 of them would give you alot of power if the passives werent unique

Sona x Rubick9/2/2016, 10:38:53 PM2 votes

i hope riot hears you

Dengeden9/3/2016, 8:41:37 AM2 votes

oooooo 12%! math is scary

TurretBud9/3/2016, 10:32:25 AM2 votes

(Also, why are the two passives on PD named? There are no other items in the game that have either passive...)

Have to have unique passives otherwise you could build multiple of them and stack the passives.

Teslium9/3/2016, 11:08:49 AM2 votes

People need to stop complaining about phantom dancer. Only crit based champions buy it, mostly ADCs, which need it for survivability. http://www.lolking.net/items/3046?region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=challenger#topchampions

JustMyBassCannon9/3/2016, 6:24:03 PM2 votes

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Unique Passive - Lament: Attacking an enemy champion causes them to deal 2% less damage to you. This effect stacks up to 5 times, and attacking a new target resets the stacks (stacks fade after 10 seconds of not attacking).

(This effect is applied like Vayne's Silver Bolts in regards to interactions with things like Runaan's.)

I mean, PD already gives the best raw stats of all the Zeal upgrades while being cheaper than them to boot. An instant 12% damage mitigation from whoever you attack is rather excessive on top of that.

Having to actually be dueling someone to get the full effect of the mitigation seems like a logical step to me. Plus, seeing as it gives the most Attack Speed of the Zeal upgrades anyway, it's already designed to hit things quickly in a short time anyway.

(Also, why are the two passives on PD named? There are no other items in the game that have either passive...)

It has the highest offensive stats because the passive effect is not offensive in any way, shape or form. Compared to all the other Zeal items, it is the only one with a defensive/utility passive. Cannon gets a range extension and bonus damage. Shiv gets burst AoE that crits. Hurricane hits multiple targets and applies on-hits and crits to all targets.

Dancers give you a defensive boost against one target and increased movement speed if an enemy champ is within Average Marksman Range of you.

Making the defense bonus stack up to full effect and switch whenever you change targets is not balancing it out, it's making the one reason you would buy it worthless. Nobody would buy it after that. Not that you care, since you're actively trying to get Phantom Dancers nerfed, out of all the items in the game.