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Thornmail makes Lifesteal worthless..

BushidoBlade·7/23/2017, 12:47:44 PM·3 votes·1,180 views

As a carry top lane, I can buy 2 item 3153 item 3812 items and I still won't get any value if the enemy top lane buys a item 3075 .

maybe we should stop applying grevious wounds at the 50% > range, like item 3165 . Or similarly, make grevious wounds less effective at 50% > range so that you won't be able to counter someone's survivability **completely ** through purchasing a single item.

I find it a bit obnoxious that tanks never have to invest in damage, they can just rush item 3075 and cockblock you completely for the rest of the game, just for picking ad, with no counterplay to the grevious wounds debuff.

yes you can reduce the damage you take by building mr but people primarily build lifesteal items to survive and to steal life, and when you take that away from them they just die to people who are tankier and have more cc and more hitpoints and armor than you do.

can you just throw item 3075 in the dumpster bin and make tanks build item 3123 or item 3165 like regular people have to? at least then they will have to make a tradeoff for tank stats to cut my healing in half. instead you just give it all to them in one item and i can't even splitpush now against them

please fix thanks

70 Comments

dolphinosplash247/23/2017, 12:52:34 PM9 votes

I think thats the point of the item.

Penns7/23/2017, 1:05:42 PM2 votes

Dont complain about Thornmail complain about item 3076

And A Real Hiero7/23/2017, 4:44:07 PM2 votes

Good.

Dirty Bastard7/23/2017, 12:52:44 PM1 votes

Thornmail cannot save everyone in a matchup. I just had a game where our zed, oh foolish zed buys thornmail and a bloodthirster over 20 min against Tryn. He was wrecked, did no dmg.

Died to Tryn 9 times and would not listen to advice on how to build.

Thornmail is not the be all end all, and I wouldn't get rid of it as it has its uses on champs like rammus etc.

BushidoBlade7/23/2017, 1:24:18 PM1 votes

honestly guys, try making an argument as to why I'm wrong, that 6k + worth of lifesteal items should be made worthless with 2900 gold worth of armor.. you downvote but you don't try to discuss anything, which is pretty stupid tbh..

Iota Theta7/23/2017, 2:16:47 PM1 votes

Could make the same argument for Executioners and Morello. They give their intended buys stats that they want: AD for executioners (+% Bonus Armour pen if Mortal Reminder) and AP/CDR/mana for mages. Both those items also proc GW when hitting with their damage type - executioners gives GW on physical damage and Morello on AP.

Thornmail requires the target to attack you. If they don't then it's just a health+armour item. And not just any attacks. Only basic attacks proc it.

Not to mention, you said below you were playing as Kayn with BC, BotRK, and DD. BC was a good call against a tank. If you were playing Rhaast, you heal on all physical damage dealt to champs. All you would've had to do, at least in a skirmish, is not auto the tank for one second, then hit with abilites, and you'd heal like normal. Thornmail's design was to reduce healing and draining on tanks that can't hurt you as much, and from what i hear here, it did it's against your healing. If you built more damage, especially armour pen, and not as much lifesteal, it wouldn't be much of a problem..or an SV, probably helps balance it some (mr+ increases healing a tad)

Also, it's only good vs healing. Crit/armour pen builds destroy thorntanks though