Is Shen a Fighter or a Tank? An opinion on recent Shen discussion

TehNACHO··5 votes·1,203 views

Okay, so I'm 90% sure most players agree that the main difference between Fighter Tanks Shyvana and actual Tanks Alistar is:

  • Fighters and bruisers get tanky to protect themselves. Tank itemization to them is mostly just a means for them to last as long as possible during fights so that they can get their damage (usually damage designed to scale on time) out in some form.
  • Actual tanks get tanky to protect their teammates. Their itemization routes tend to be full of Passive utility effects and a buttload of CDR. Their abilities tend to be much more "High Impact" single activations, and they don't scale as hard on time.

To note, when I say "scale on time", this tends to be about things like Attack Speed or low Cooldown abilities such as the fact that Shyvana benefits from Attack Speed. "High Impact" abilities tend to favor individual and/or well timed activations, such as how Braum's Shield is on a rather high Cooldown for much of the mid game and how Braum himself doesn't need to be the one to activate his passive Stun.

What really bothers me whenever I see the "Tank" side of Shen is that half of his kit is literally the other classification of what a tank can be. Shen's Passive, Q, and W all scale on time in some way, be it Attack Speed or regen or being a low cool down spam ability, all signs of a Fighter Tank. On the other hand though, Shen's E and Ultimate are both very clearly high impact Tank abilities. Honestly, I think that if Shen is to remain a tank from here on out, he needs to have his role as a tank defined. Is he the Tanky Fighter, meant to take to the front lines and is surviving as long as possible because it benefits himself the most, or is he the True Tank, meant to defend his allies through powerful abilities and well timed activations?

17 Comments

Laughing Fish8 votes

Shen is a flippin' ninja.

Kingsgrave2 votes

I see Shen as a Tank/Fighter, I don't honestly think he is a full on Tank

ExecutorDill1 votes

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I see Shen as a Tank/Fighter, I don't honestly think he is a full on Tank

So do I!

Raise Dongrs1 votes

Well I mean Shen literally builds nothing BUT tank and can 1v1 adcs late game. I don't know what's up, but I love it

Toru Itai1 votes

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Well I mean Shen literally builds nothing BUT tank and can 1v1 adcs late game. I don't know what's up, but I love it

no he can't item 3035

Raise Dongrs2 votes

Brah I've done it more times than I can count. You'll have Thornmail if they're like Vayne or Kalista and you take reduced damage because of taunt. As well as a baller shield

Leti the Yeti1 votes

iif full tank and thorn mail was enough to take on adcs people wouldnt be worried about the current state of tanks being too weak

Raise Dongrs1 votes

It's just Shen, don't worry

Darastrix1 votes

Well as shen, building tank is essential to his damage since his passive relies on his max health. So I would say Shen falls under the actual tank category.

ExecutorDill1 votes

Does this answer your question? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVyaQvrNU4I

I Also Have some good news:

Directly from RiotScruffy himself, "Agree that Shen needs work, we just have so many to do and only enough bandwidth for a handful at one time. We will get to everyone that needs it in time."

It's on the 9th comment page, enjoy :)

TehNACHO1 votes

tl;dw

Actually, this thread is in reply to that. Seeing that Shen is in line for a rework, I wanted to put my two cents on the matter.

ExecutorDill1 votes

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tl;dw

Actually, this thread is in reply to that. Seeing that Shen is in line for a rework, I wanted to put my two cents on the matter.

Wait, so you read the discussion I linked before making thia thread?

TehNACHO1 votes

Yep.

It got me thinking about how Riot would ever go about reworking Shen. Thus came this thread: If Shen remains to be a tank post rework, should he be a fighter, or a true tank?

ExecutorDill1 votes

{quoted}

Yep.

It got me thinking about how Riot would ever go about reworking Shen. Thus came this thread: If Shen remains to be a tank post rework, should he be a fighter, or a true tank?

Oh kool. As much as I love the current shen, I find him quite outdated in this new era of league champs. I would really like to see a Sion lvl rework and the only ability I would like remain in his kit is his Shadow Dash, maybe a different variation of Shadow dash if change needed. I would really like more "visible synergy in his kit" and depth as I find him to basic. Sion was a pretty boring and basic champ before his rework. He was like the mashup of Nasus and Taric with the lifesteal passive and range stun. I'd also like to see another form of CC on him, it doesn't have to be hard CC like immobilzers or stuns. But something unique that can either increase his trading potential or rescue potential like a *(blind or knock back respectively).

DJ Siamak1 votes

Think of it like this:

A fighter/bruiser brings tankiness and damage.

A tank brings tankiness and utility.

Shen has a split personality where he has very good utility but his damage in a single fight is also very good and he can duel every well against most other melee.

ExecutorDill1 votes

Do you main when?

TehNACHO1 votes

I assume you mean Shen.

He's one of my go-to true tank Junglers.

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