Completely changed W on pbe so it makes AD fizz not worth it anymore. Then they buffed Q to encourage AP usage. I look on the pbe to see they reverted the Q buff and did not revert the W nerf. Fizz is actually in a nice spot for once, an all in champion in top or jungle, hes squishy until he buys tank gear. Sad to see I wont want to play him if AP and AD is crap with both
JustMyBassCannon3 votesThe problem was that AS Fizz became viable.
AS Fizz is a bruiser. Bruiser Fizz is not something anyone wants. You can't kill him, you can't focus him, and you can't ignore him.
Fadedpf1 votesTrynd is worse, if fed you cant ignore, you cant focus.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesNo, you can totally afford to focus Tryndamere. His ultimate has a half-second delay before he's actually death-immune, so if you burst him fast enough, you'll kill him.
And even if you miss that small window, you can still CC him for 2 seconds or Exhaust him, and he'll either have to run away to survive, or he'll try to kill someone as he goes down.
Unless you're trying to initiate a solo fight with Tryndamere, which, like any duelist, is a mistake. Except literally every other duelist, even Fiora, is better than him.
GetBoomedOn2 votesI want Fizz to stay ap based, AD/On-hit fizz takes no skill at all.
Phife1 votesThey made his w like it was before its not a nerf....
MakeHongKongFree1 votesOn the PBE, however, his Q temporarily had .5 AP scaling, up from .3 AP scaling. Today, Q was reverted back to .3 AP, while still keeping the "old W".
This is a huge nerf to Fizz's laning phase, because he won't be able to make any meaningful trades until level 6, and now his AP and AD builds will be equally weak.
Phife1 votesYou realize .3 and .5 ap doesnt make his lane phase any different right? Fizz maxes e and bursts with w not q. If anything your q late game is changed by 30 damage....
MakeHongKongFree1 votesTo say that late game Q damage is changed by 30 is a HUGE misconception.
Let's say that a late-game Fizz has about 600 AP(no lich bane built to have less things to add in), and about 100 AD. A max rank Q with the .5 scaling would be 300 more damage, plus the base damage and on-hit effects applied like normal on Q, which would total (70+300+100) Magic Damage, which would be 470 damage.
Let's change that to .3 AP scaling. Now with the Late-game Q, the AP scaling is 180, and the total damage is (70+180+100) Magic Damage, which would be 350 damage.
470-350=120 damage change on his Q, which is a much larger number than 30.
If the Ult Debuff were to be applied with .5 AP Q, a Q on a marked target would receive (70+300+100) Magic damage, increased by 20%, which would be 94 extra damage, so the total damage of a Q to a marked target without applying magic resist would be 544 Total damage, which seems reasonable for an assassin in the late-game.
Let's bump down the Q AP scaling to .3. A marked target Q would take (70+180+100) Magic damage, the 20% damage would be 70, so the total damage on a marked target would be 430 magic damage in total, which is more than 100 damage less than the .5 AP scaling of a marked target, and still does not even do as much damage as a Q to an unmarked target with .5 AP scaling, and I would hesitate to call an assassin come late-game.
So yes, .3 and .5 as a matter of fact, do make a difference.
Phife1 votesLmao, you're missing the point. You cant nerf that which was never buffed.
Its not being nerfed its being reverted. both his W and his Q change.
MakeHongKongFree1 votesThe point is that on the PBE currently, the changes makes the game much more difficult for bot AP and AD Fizz, because he is significantly reliant on his ult in order to dish out decent damage.
SleepyLionCub1 votesHopefully they want to keep him irrelevant until he gets a real rework
Aww Kat1 votesI dont want to see fizz at all so this could be good