Shen's rework is a disaster and will be complained about in the next months

Namazu Ebisu··10 votes·3,304 views

Hi guys ! First thing before the "he's not even out yet" i am testing him on PBE since the release and after various tries and numbers, i can confirm without a doubt (and i'm not the only one trust me : PBE BOARDS, basically most of what you get when searching pbe boards).

So the big question is, why does this rework destroy the character so much ? Well first before that, let's see what's Shen state right now and what does he lack. His kit is probably not the most enjoyable and dynamic one, but it is without a doubt very efficient and usefull in a team. You have a great regen, poke, survivability and utility with ult. His W is pretty much trash let's be honest, it's just a basic shield without interaction. But even with that, Shen is playable toplane and you can engage and fight ennemies with the actual kit, going poke, dash then passive into them.

Now why is Shen's rework that bad ? Because it takes all the little fun out of him and transforms Shen into a souless support without any gameplay. You might think the "spirit sword" is a great mechanic, you're wrong. Shen's new Q is an empower like on a lot of other champions, but lacks a huge thing that makes it gross : no auto reset. Every single empower ability in the game resets your auto attack to make your gameplay faster, but this one doesn't. You then get, a crazy bad empower that is very slow and scales on AP, for a maximum crazy of 0% bonus dmg ! It's not even fun to play with, even if people complained about a point & click poke, how is an empower where you click a button and boom you get a new auto FUN ? You have no interaction with the ennemy, you don't feel like you're doing anything to them. If he had other damage tools all right, but he DOESN'T.

His W now, the "so great" dodge tool for your team. Forget it, it sucks. It only reduces the CDR per level when you level it, the time of the active is ridiculous and ofc you have to place that ridiculous sword correctly in order for it to work, which is impossible in teamfights because everyone moves constantly and you can move the sword only with your Q that is your only ridiculous damage tool and has an actual cooldown.

And next you have the old abilities of Shen that everyone knows about, but don't forget about the passive that is now the old W shield that procs so randomly that you can't get it to work as intended as your old W did ! Oh and yea Ki Strike is removed so yea no damage for you.

So, TL;DR, what did we trade the old Shen for ? We had a "fun" Ninja that actually throws stuff like all ninjas in the game, that can deal great amount of damage (yes most of the tanky Shen's in my team have like top damage, and i'm plat) and are great to their team. Fun poke, good mobility, reliable shields and regen.

New Shen is, retarded support with no regen, no poke, no damage (no the Q doesn't do any damage) very hard utility because you won't place your sword most of the time and random shields. Riot thought it was a good idea to remove every single thing that made Shen unique, to make people focus on the magical sword mechanic. But the thing is, that little magical sword mechanic is nothing, it adds nothing to the gameplay besides a shiny pet on a leash ! Oh and it's actually a huge debuff to Shen because ennemies can see the sword in the fog of war, hello ninjas.

Trust me, people will play him once or twice when the rework goes out then his winrate will fail hard and he will go to the grave and end up like Sejuani did at her release. You want a tanky sup with reliable spells and damage ? Take Leona or Braum or Tahm, Shen will be loser tier support and no tier toplaner right now. He just doesn't have a good kit, he's not even a ninja anymore, the magical sword stuff is trash and ruins the character in every single way. Even if i get downvoted, i made my statement and it will be there when the time comes.

No hard feelings but as i constantly roam the PBE Boards, it just seems that Riot doesn't give a damn about any feedback (they didn't even make a feedback thread) because they already scrapped the whole character as soon as they revealed him so like it or not they say. Until it comes on front page of reddit or mass upvoted here after being trashed by pros, Shen will be in a miserable state.

14 Comments

AscendedxBlade2 votes

oh great here we go again riot fucking stop with these reworks till you actually know what a rework is as i still see nothing done with morde and now shen is stuck as a support gg riot we lost a top lane that i main.

Namazu Ebisu2 votes

He's not even good as a support. Tried him toplane : no damage, can't trade because i don't have any regen anymore and my shield is f*cked up for some reason. As support, same thing, you wanna go in with your E but you're so not tanky now that you get crushed and if you get your sword to make you dodge with W well you ADC pay the price because it's the worst support tool ever.

TeemoJenkins2 votes

I was super excited about this rework, loved the idea of it... then saw RedMercy's PBE Video of it and I was instantly deflated... Red is admittedly not a Shen player, but he has a good eye for engaging game play and he looked bored playing that game. I've been meaning to get on the PBE and try him out, but the majority of my friends that have played it and have been Shen players in the past state one thing in unison: Regardless of how fed you get, you don't feel impactful in team fights... which is where Shen used to be "Lose lane, win game". Really don't know what Riots going to do at this point... hopefully there's some build / runes that we haven't tried yet that will make him amazing...

AscendedxBlade2 votes

im not saying riot sucks at reworks ya did a very good job on sion and average job on the juggernauts which got nerfed but thats ok but please stop reworking champs till you playtest them yourselves

MaeDoSan2 votes

wtf am i to do in lane without any poke or safe way to cs

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Every single empower in the game resets your auto attack

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Namazu Ebisu1 votes

I'm talking about the abilities (not items), will update to make it clear (Fiora's E, Xin's Q, Morde'Q etc...)

Ahristocats2 votes

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yes, it reset your AA in case if you didn't know

Got New Glasses1 votes

windrunner--->best dota 2 waifu ever upvoted

on a serious note the only thing i feel bad about shen's rework is that his W is shit.

last 1.75, then shen has 3 spells for 17 seconds. and someone already mentioned the list of drawbacks it have

either they increase the duration, or put a passive on it.

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

Imo if the W was an aura around Shen without the sword involved it would have been a great mechanic. Or at least, since he's a ninja, he could have like a smokescreen that you can throw around you as an aoe and do the same effect for a little time (actually that would have been pretty amazing).

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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Imo if the W was an aura around Shen without the sword involved it would have been a great mechanic. Or at least, since he's a ninja, he could have like a smokescreen that you can throw around you as an aoe and do the same effect for a little time (actually that would have been pretty amazing).

the mechanic is already fine, has so much counterplay, only thing fucked up is the duration. What is this? 1.75 seconds? yasuo and braum have a wall with 4 seconds duration.

they probably feared that it would be as much broken as arc warden in dota 2 and reduced the duration

Namazu Ebisu1 votes

Yea it pretty much...counters itself really, the duration is crap for sure but still it's really a pain to cast it right.

Ravenhale1 votes

I had a feeling that Shen was now going to work like a pseudo-Orianna (but less reliable). If they really want to do this, they should allow his W to be an AoE target that moves his blade and drops the dodge field. As you said, the only way to move his blade now is to Q and drag it along behind him. If they really want his identity to be a "Ninja Protector", they need to make his W more reliable.

Cowall1 votes

i can live with this rework... Execpt 1 thing... The sword following him around. Looks so stupid tbh. Cant they fix some other way to make this work PLEASE!

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