Idea for a Thornmail change

Spicy Rice·Mar 17, 2017·3 votes·562 views

Right now, buying Thornmail is like buying a giant "DO NOT AA" sign

In its current iteration, it's uninteractive, and only really useful on a select few tanks.

So how about you get rid of its current passive, and instead replace it with this

Unique Active :Hidden Thorns

Thornmail stores 10% of the damage taken in the last 4 seconds (before resistances). When activated, it's does an aoe bleed divided by the amount of champs the aoe hits.

The bleed effect occurs over 4 secs

E.G the aoe hits 2 people, so they each take 50% of the stored damage over the duration of 4 secs

Now, the numbers can always be changed, so please tell me any thoughts on if this is too op, or too weak, and what could be changed about this idea, and Thornmail in general.

7 Comments

TheHappyReaperzMar 17, 20171 votes

An active component would make Thornmail a bit more interactive, but it would need a pretty significant CD to go with an active that powerful. Perhaps 120 - 140s? In terms of the damage, could it work with a flat amount of damage, increased by a percentage of your bonus armor, and a percentage of the damage taken over the last few seconds?

Spicy RiceMar 17, 20171 votes

Yeah, I agree it's need a pretty decent cd for the active.

As for the 2nd part, what would you think if the "% damage taken" scaled with armor. E.G if you buy it with no armor, the active is 100 damage + 3%damage taken in last few secs. But if yoI buy like 200 armor, it scales up to 10%.

That way, it's effective on people who build armor, and not a 1 hit wonder for all champs (as I think the one I posted might be too good for supps and fighters)

Chaos Milk TeaMar 17, 20171 votes

I mean... how big is the AOE? I don't see it dealing with the champions that you buy it to counter. Namely ADCs because of their range and Master Yi because he blinks out every few seconds. Also if someone like XinZhao bursts you down then what are you going to do? Press the active while dead? It's fitting for redemption but not here.

Spicy RiceMar 17, 20171 votes

I'm thinking something like a randuins aoe

CritkeeperMar 17, 20171 votes

too good in duels, tanks don't have as many weaknesses as dedicated duelists so they shouldn't be able to 1v1 them.

Spicy RiceMar 17, 20171 votes

As is, tanks are 1v1'ing duelists with Thornmail.

IMO, this is healthy, as it only works when you pop the effect, meaning that if you can't get the tank to use the active, you can disengage and reengage

CritkeeperMar 17, 20171 votes

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As is, tanks are 1v1'ing duelists with Thornmail.

IMO, this is healthy, as it only works when you pop the effect, meaning that if you can't get the tank to use the active, you can disengage and reengage

Disengage and reengage isn't something all duelists have, especially the dedicated ones.

A tank should just die to the likes of jax, trynd, yi and fiora, regardless of what items they bought or how they played, assuming equal gold. A fight between a tank and a dedicated duelist should not be a skill matchup.