PSA about " off-meta" picks

z14GaKI7TO·Apr 22, 2016·5 votes·1,135 views

PLEASE do not pick something "off-meta" as Support or ADC** especially** unless your lane partner agrees to it. Y**our pick directly affects someone else and they should not have to endure something they don't want to. **

Please keep in mind that "off meta" picks are off meta for a reason, because they're either bad or something else does the same thing but better.

Keep other people in mind.

And no, "it's a normal" is not a valid reason to ruins someone elses game.

Edit: seems like I found all the "support" mains that just play dumb inconsistent shit with little to no cc.

31 Comments

whocares123Apr 22, 20167 votes

Keep in mind that what the meta is is constantly changing as patches roll out. In LCS this year rageblade tristana was one of the things that got CLG their victory. Up until it's appearance in LCS, Rageblade tristana was an "off-meta" pick.

Something being off-meta does NOT mean that it is bad or strategically weaker than other things. It just means that people aren't using it.

And "it's normals" IS a valid reason to do off-meta picks. It being ranked is perfectly fine as well as long as you have experience with the idea or believe that it is the best move for the situation you are in.

While I do agree that when laning with someone else esp, you should be respective. But, that works both ways as well. If I want to play adc renekton or adc thresh or something, whoever is laning with me should be respective of that decision. The people I play with are not able to, nor should be able to, stop me from playing something off-meta.

z14GaKI7TOApr 22, 20161 votes

Yeah, because I'd LOVE Viktor support, 0 cc except for his easily avoidable W? Nice, VERY good support. If you're picking something off meta, at LEAST fill the requirements of the role. Don't try and play something with 0 cc as a support, you're pretty much just killing your lane at that point. You might as well dive level 1.

Also, I will not accept RB Trist as_ that_ off meta. Even on paper it seems like it would be good.

whocares123Apr 22, 20164 votes

Alright, if RB trist isn't off meta enough for you, then consider the fact that in the last LCS season I saw kennen appear as both an adc and a support. Both of those were very off meta picks. Hell my last game I went vs a rageblade runnans adc kennen. And lost. In ranked.

Here's the thing though, when it comes down to it, you don't get to decide what I play, if I want to play adc janna or something I can do it. I shouldn't be restricted from that.

Of all off meta picks to highlight you actually pick one that would work half decently lol. Viktor's cc is pretty nice, considering it's a slow even if the stun doesn't connect, and he has massive poke. There is a catagory for poke-style supports, like karma and such. Viktor's cc isn't as reliable as most meta poke supports but his poke tends to be higher.

Regardless of whether an off-meta pick is good or not, I still have the capability to do whatever I want as long as I am not intentionally trying to lose the game.

Thus is the purpose of normals - for casual play/practice against other human players. In fact, one of the best ways to get better is to give yourself a disadvantage, such as an underpowered off-meta pick, and get good at that, as it will force you to make better decisions and overcome your disadvantage.

BeldairApr 22, 20162 votes

Well said.

LordGeovanniApr 23, 20161 votes

if easily aviodable cc makes you not a support there are lots of supports like that damage can substitute for cc thats why support morg and lux is popular not because they give their adcs kills not that they NEED kills its better if they have them but if a support pokes the enemy down and gets a double kill the adc will most likely rage because they didnt get the kill even though they have their farm but if the support didnt poke there would have been no kills in your lanes favor at all and even a chance that the enemy would have pushed you the adc away from your farm

SrbLudApr 22, 20164 votes

I'll play sona jungle in normals if i want to... No one can stop me. If i want to experiment in normals pvp i'm allowed to. If someone doesn't like it...well too bad...

z14GaKI7TOApr 22, 20161 votes

fine play sona jungle i could give a fuck less, just don't do dumb shit bot where it literally directly affects someone

LauchmelderApr 22, 20164 votes

What do you think Trundle or Poppy Support were called when they first surfaced?

whocares123Apr 22, 20161 votes

Man people hated me for going trundle support xD next thing you know he's punching his ice dick through marksmen's in the LCS haha

z14GaKI7TOApr 23, 20161 votes

Dont' recall at any point them being off meta, because they actually make sense. They have this weird thing called reliable cc that other troll shit doesn't have :)

whocares123Apr 22, 20162 votes

Your argument doesn't really make sense...in bot lane you are affecting mostly one other person, but as a jungler it's your job to watch and interact with different lanes, so having an ineffective jungler tends to have more of an impact to more people than an ineffective adc or support.

Guessing you're an adc main so you're just not thinking about that?

PDE5 InhibApr 22, 20163 votes

Implying people don't do the same exact thing in ranked matches?

Ale non è maleApr 22, 20161 votes

The worst thing are people that jump in ranked by playing a meta champ for the first time here - and not by mistake like it can happen - I'm like, wts, at least play 1 game on normals with this champ, maybe?

I'd rather prefer someone expert on an off-meta pick that those 1st time in ranked wonders

PDE5 InhibApr 22, 20161 votes

Yes, but most of the time it's someone playing an off-meta champ for the first time as well.

"I put mid as my primary so I'm going to play Azir even though I got support." looks up player. 0 games azir ever.

The problem is that there is literally no way to deal with a trolling player that is intentionally trying to ruin your game.

Ale non è maleApr 22, 20161 votes

Those are more the people that think they have gotten normal draft, though

I see those first time X players going jungle on top on YoloQ meta champs and failing badly or those ADCs that don't know their specific skills

PDE5 InhibApr 22, 20161 votes

Or how every single ADC now builds Rageblade. Lmfao.

Ale non è maleApr 22, 20161 votes

Lol, luckily in EUW that's less of a problem right now because it happened in NA LCS XD

BeldairApr 22, 20162 votes

If i want to play Support Renekton or Support Mordekaiser in normals, then by golly i will. But it also depends on who my bot lane support opponent is. If it is someone really pokey (Karma for example) then Morde won't be picked.

z14GaKI7TOApr 22, 20162 votes

and you;re why normals is just as cancer as ranked.. if your adc isn't okay with dumb shit like renekton you shouldn't be playing it. don't be selfish and ruin someone elses experience. If you wanna play ren support, get a duo.

Unstoppable MonkApr 22, 20163 votes

Rene support is legit you casual

BeldairApr 22, 20162 votes

Thank you.

Adolf Hit RApr 22, 20161 votes

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and you;re why normals is just as cancer as ranked.. if your adc isn't okay with dumb shit like renekton you shouldn't be playing it. don't be selfish and ruin someone elses experience. If you wanna play ren support, get a duo.

I mean, or don't get overly butthurt about a casual format that doesn't matter.

whocares123Apr 22, 20161 votes

If you queue up for normals, then YOU are accepting that it will be a more casual game, and that things like support renek may be picked. It's a sort of hidden contract you're signing when you click "accept". By clicking "accept", you agree to follow the rules, one of which, btw, is that a player cannot be faulted for making an off-meta pick.

BeldairApr 22, 20161 votes

And if you don't want a support that knows what he is doing, then go play a different game.

TrylobyteApr 22, 20162 votes

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**Your pick directly affects someone else and they should not have to endure something they don't want to. **

Keep other people in mind.

Someone should not have to endure something they don't want to, such as picking a 'meta' support that they hate when they'd rather be playing something else just because their ADC is a whiny bitch who either can't or won't think outside the box that is the meta. It's a normal game. All it affects in the long run is how big the number of wins is, and nobody who plays seriously cares much about that because if they did they'd play Ranked.

Keep other people in mind. Don't be that whiny bitch.

LiveYiOrDieHardApr 22, 20161 votes

I play support AP Nasus and max spirit fire.

It actually works well as long as my ADC doesn't throw a fit and refuse to work with me. And if they do that, then they deserve the loss.

I do it in ranked too.

Maximum MordeApr 22, 20161 votes

Lol, I play fill eve support man and I win more games than I lose with it. Burst adcs like graves and Corki make good partners cause eve's opening attack from stealth rips like half the hp off someone right then and there.

It's my pick not yours. Fk off ur high horse and go meta yourself alone in the corner pleb.

Sadistic CheeseApr 22, 20161 votes

To be fair I think SOME off-meta picks have their uses. Not to mention that it seems like the meta is usually just a list of who's broken/strong as hell and who counters those broken/strong as hell picks.

Which, if that's what you'd call metagame, then one could also argue that any pick that DOESN'T fall into those categories such as comfort picks that may have fallen out of favor as the patches roll onward, are just as off-meta as say...'support' Yasuo. Technically an out of favor character in their proper lane COULD still be considered a non-meta pick even though that's their proper role that they were designed for.

I agree that team comps are worthwhile even in normals (it's always nice to win), but what are we defining as meta here? Furthermore, what about the fun factor? It's nice to win, but sometimes you just get bored playing the same handful of champions. Sometimes you really do just want a different experience once in awhile.

Let's also ask the question of non-meta picks in other roles. If bot-lane is regulation, does it matter if you have an odd top, mid, or jungler? Those are going to affect others too, from sub-par ganks to fed enemy laners coming to shut down bot lane. Where does one draw the line, and when do you allow a game to be a game and let people have some fun?

I think you can live with one off-meta pick, as long as it's not SUPER awkward, provided you know that things are gonna be tough if the stars don't align and the lane/role doesn't work out like the player hoped.