Can You Please Give Darius And Fiora Actual Mana Cost, Riot?

63536895_DEL··3 votes·1,095 views

You want Darius to have high base stats, ok. You want Darius to have sustain, fine. You want Darius to have an ultimate that resets on kill, whatever. You want Darius to have non existent mana cost so he can constinuously spam his abilites, this is where I draw the line. Darius can be played around and kept in check by playing safe and making smart trades, but when I play almost any champion that uses mana top I have to use all of my corrupting potions because I'm forced to use my abilities for waveclear because Darius is over there spamming Decimate and clearing waves at almost no cost. Its bullshit that I have to use all of my corrupting potions to keep from going oom early game while Darius isn't even half oom after 3 spells rotations

Darius Ability Cost Q 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 W 30 E 45 R 100 / 100 / 0

Fiora is similar to Darius just without the amazing waveclear, she can spam abilities for days without going anywhere close to oom. Not only does she have an incredibly toxic kit, but she gets to spam her abilities early game at almost no cost.

Fiora Ability Cost Q 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 W 50 E 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 R 100

I know both of these champion have severe balance problems that are far more significant than their mana cost, but unlike their other problems giving their abilities actual mana cost would be something quick and easy to make them more bearable early game in laning phase, especially Fiora.

**TL;DR **Darius and Fiora have extremely low mana cost by almost any champions standards, and need to be increased.

15 Comments

Lord Boltrix3 votes

As a guy who has been spamming Darius top a lot in Ranked, I can tell you that if Darius is spamming his abilities for wave clear, he is not doing his job right. He doesn't have too much problems last hitting, hell he has Crippling Strike which he should be using to kill one low minion right after another when two minions are about to die at the same time.

He should be reserving his CD's and his mana pool strictly for you.

If you face a Darius that bothers to waste his mana pool to clear minion waves, he is going to push the wave closer to your tower, and Darius has no escape ability so he WILL have to burn his Flash if you have anything - even a slow - that can help you get a kill from a jungler gank.

Darius is a lane bully, if you're facing him you have to adapt to having a lane bully opponent, if you play passive champions you're going to have a bad time if don't get jungler help.

killd0zer2 votes

this is where I draw the line

Oh dear god

Read Death LoL has... DRAWN THE LINE

Oh shit Riot better get their entire PR team ready to deal with this one. Gotta appease the bronze

Verxint1 votes

What's funny is both those champs can and do oom if they spam all their spells on CD

Who the heck is OP playing top that ooms trying to waveclear and has to corrupting potion?

63536895_DEL1 votes

I really hope English isn't your first language. I assume you're disagreeing with me, but I don't really know what you tried to say.

Verxint1 votes

Ok let's break this down

"What's funny is" this phrase states that the following phrase is a source of amusement "both those champs" Fiora and Darius, the two champs in question "can and do" has the capacity and utilizes it "oom" out of mana "if they" under this condition "spam all their spells" use all available abilities without discresion "on CD" Whenever it is possible to do so

Now the next sentence "Who the heck" expletive statement inquiring an identity "is OP playing top" inquiring to the identity of the OP's champion "that ooms trying to waveclear" said champion which runs out of mana clearing waves "And has to corrupting potion?" thus being forced to use this item

The first sentence insinuates that you are exaggerating or speaking with hyperbole.

The second sentence implies that you should not be forced to use in game resources in the manner you describe

LXII1 votes

Lol, rekt.

63536895_DEL1 votes

I like how you edited and made corrections before posting this lol.

Verxint1 votes

I made one edit because my phone autocorrected a word. Oh noes.

63536895_DEL1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/dijDnIt.png

Drew it just for you.

Darius Bøt1 votes

Fiora I've only played against never played as, but I tend to agree.

Darius, kinda. Any Darius who is harassing with all their might goes oom real quick. However, this only really applies to the early game as once he hits mid and late game he can spam forever. The thing is that Darius needs a minimum mana amount so that he can full combo and run through all his spells.

Z3npachi1 votes

Complaining about Darius who sits barely above 50% win rate and Fiora on 49% win rate. OK!

63536895_DEL1 votes

Having win rates that aren't absurd doesn't make a champion balanced.

LXII1 votes

Complete nonsense. I can't tell you how many times a free kill has walked away from me because I didn't have the mana to dunk them. If Darius is spamming to clear he WILL run out of mana, that's a fact. Fiora on the other hand can't possibly spam to clear waves, so I'm not sure where you're getting your argument on her. "Fiora should Q into me then immediately go oom so I can get a free kill instead of just outplaying her" is basically what I'm hearing right now.

Best Darius KR1 votes

Quick and non-offensive question: Do you play Darius?

Have you ever tried to spam your Q in the laning phase? Not only do you chew through your mana, you push your lane, meaning you get ganked because you have no escapes.

Don't forget that, even though his mana costs are low, his mana pool is also abysmal.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Darius is extremely reliant on his Q healing. He's actually balanced around being able to Q for quite a while, but even in his dream scenarios he's not immortal because he DOES run oom after a while. summoner 31

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