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Know what? Think Iv'e had enough for this season

Curious Kat··130 votes·16,164 views

Since Riot is so fast to push dumb shit on us, and so slow to fix the dumb shit, i think iv'e had enough for this season. It's ridiculous that i have to wait till "pre-season" or NEXT season, AKA, till the fucking LCS is over. BTW, kudos to all the "White Knights" on the boards who would just say " It's just pre-season, it'll change, stop bitching, things are unbalanced every pre-season". WHY? Why does it HAVE to be unbalanced? WHY? Explain that to me. What kind of thinking is that? News flash.. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. But your dumb asses encourage it...

Pro play should not be the deciding factor in balance in this damn game. Look what it's become. Even the damn pros don't like this shit. Top streamers quit, youtube creators refuse to play the game anymore simply because it's not fun, and they don't enjoy making League related content anymore, since it forces them to play this shitfest. Your LCS views are down quite a bit, and chat is filled with nothing but meme copy pasta about champs like Zoe existing.

I no longer dedicate any of my time to watching the LCS. It's boring as hell watching people run around till they cc someone and blow them up in half a second. WOW what an outplay! Truly amazing feat there. I used to order pizza, buy beers and have buddies over to cheer on for our teams. That stopped a long time ago...

Know what i liked about old league? Strategy. Outplaying people. Objectives. Countering people with runes and builds. What got my heart racing in the laning phase? When 2 outplay champions are being played, and we are all over the lane in a fight of muscle reflexes and mechanics. And who ever didn't fuck up would win the trade. But you know what made that better? Is the fact that the person could come back to lane, and still have a chance to outplay me. The fight would go back and forth. You didn't just get 1 kill, or push them out of lane for 20 seconds, and completely own the lane from there on. Not to mention it took way more than just one trade, to force someone out of lane. You had to chunk em down over multiple trades, and then go for the all in. Now? Psh... 1 trade, and it's over.

Laning phase is too damn short because Riot refuses to address TURRETS. Turrets going down in 4-5 minutes. What a damn joke dude... Half the time mid lane you can't even get a kill in the amount of time that it takes bot to destroy a turret. If your bot lane dies once, they lose turret, and here comes bot lane to take my turret with ease, because psh, 3 autos is enough to send you out of your lane. Or the reverse. Our bot lane wins? Here comes bot lane to push the turret in a few seconds, what iv'e been trying to get for multiple bases and trades...

Buffing tanks will not fix this shitfest. Tiny little dinks in the amount of damage that some specific runes and builds do, will not fix the game. The problem, the core problem, is the fact that Runes and Items have the worse balance that they have ever had, just because it's "new and fresh". No Riot games... Your tiny dinks spread out months in between every little dink, will not fix your game.

So since we always have to wait till "pre-season", or "next season", i guess i am done till then. Because clearly nothing smart is going to be done anytime soon. I can't even bring myself to do normals or ARAMs anymore, let alone ranked. Not when my rank is decided by a TERRIBLE winrate system, that forces you to hover at 50%, intentionally giving you terrible situations that 9 times out of 10, you will lose, just to hover that win %. Heaven forbid if your actual skill shines, and shows what you can do. Nope, we need you to stay at this win % because well, who the fuck knows at this point. Combine this system, with the current state of the game, and it's just not fun or enjoyable. People are so incredibly toxic, and it has only gotten worse this entire season.

See yall when next season hits IG. Maybe they will restore skill in the game, but unlikely...

59 Comments

Shoskavitch39 votes

This is so true. But you aren't hashinshin. They only care when someone who has a viewership the size of imaqtpie or T1 says anything. Maybe if this went viral but even then, you only get the small nerfs. They can't possibly buff weak champs, only buff strong champs and make new, unbalanced champs because some LCS player said it's cool. I mean, even Bjerg is complaining. Oh well. GG I guess.

Andrey03452 votes

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This is so true. But you aren't hashinshin.

Ofc he's not. There are no requests about Jax buffs in the thread.

Frshmlk Spotify7 votes

yeah and aatrox is f*cking garbage champion after rework

Daze Clover6 votes

Rework aatrox is kinda broken in certain match ups! He is not garbage! High elo players said he is an improvement from the old aatrox!

Śhunpo11 votes

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Rework aatrox is kinda broken in certain match ups! He is not garbage! High elo players said he is an improvement from the old aatrox!

He's not fucking fun or interesting, that's the problem with his rework, and he's completely different to his previous iteration.

ModAcademy Kayn5 votes

Yes he's different, but fun and interesting is subjective on perspective.

Failog1 votes

Sure, just like music. But some music is just shit and if you like it you have poor taste.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

'Kay, well, this ain't music.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

"It's just like food. If you like this food I don't, you objectively have shitty taste buds"

Daze Clover1 votes

you should get duskblade early on aatrox

duskblade proc electrocute

black cleaver is way better on aatrox than tri force

when your10 votes

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you should get duskblade early on aatrox

duskblade proc electrocute

black cleaver is way better on aatrox than tri force

It's not about being good at a matchup or not, he's very clunky to play and doesn't have that much of a satisfying feeling from what I've seen. It's just that his rework was too rushed. It's not about damage or whatever you said.

Failog1 votes

Its not Aatrox.

Leto GT7 votes

Since Riot is so fast to push dumb shit on us, and so slow to fix the dumb shit, i think iv'e had enough for this season. It's ridiculous that i have to wait till "pre-season"

I've been wondering too why the "slow down in changes" waited for 8 years happens when league is actually in its on worst state.

The fact that they said that the pre-season 9 will have moderate changes worries me kinda. I don't think ppl will bear another season like the current one.

Because of the amout of damage, the game has become way less interactive... this applies to all lanes and jungle included.

Dope Solo2 votes

Because of the amout of damage, the game has become way less interactive... this applies to all lanes and jungle included.

This right HERE is what the swedish chef doesn't get.

Pinko Commie Guy6 votes

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Since Riot is so fast to push dumb shit on us, and so slow to fix the dumb shit, i think iv'e had enough for this season. It's ridiculous that i have to wait till "pre-season" or NEXT season, AKA, till the fucking LCS is over. BTW, kudos to all the "White Knights" on the boards who would just say " It's just pre-season, it'll change, stop bitching, things are unbalanced every pre-season". WHY? Why does it HAVE to be unbalanced? WHY? Explain that to me. What kind of thinking is that? News flash.. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. But your dumb asses encourage it...

Pro play should not be the deciding factor in balance in this damn game. Look what it's become. Even the damn pros don't like this shit. Top streamers quit, youtube creators refuse to play the game anymore simply because it's not fun, and they don't enjoy making League related content anymore, since it forces them to play this shitfest. Your LCS views are down quite a bit, and chat is filled with nothing but meme copy pasta about champs like Zoe existing.

I no longer dedicate any of my time to watching the LCS. It's boring as hell watching people run around till they cc someone and blow them up in half a second. WOW what an outplay! Truly amazing feat there. I used to order pizza, buy beers and have buddies over to cheer on for our teams. That stopped a long time ago...

Know what i liked about old league? Strategy. Outplaying people. Objectives. Countering people with runes and builds. What got my heart racing in the laning phase? When 2 outplay champions are being played, and we are all over the lane in a fight of muscle reflexes and mechanics. And who ever didn't fuck up would win the trade. But you know what made that better? Is the fact that the person could come back to lane, and still have a chance to outplay me. The fight would go back and forth. You didn't just get 1 kill, or push them out of lane for 20 seconds, and completely own the lane from there on. Not to mention it took way more than just one trade, to force someone out of lane. You had to chunk em down over multiple trades, and then go for the all in. Now? Psh... 1 trade, and it's over.

Laning phase is too damn short because Riot refuses to address TURRETS. Turrets going down in 4-5 minutes. What a damn joke dude... Half the time mid lane you can't even get a kill in the amount of time that it takes bot to destroy a turret. If your bot lane dies once, they lose turret, and here comes bot lane to take my turret with ease, because psh, 3 autos is enough to send you out of your lane. Or the reverse. Our bot lane wins? Here comes bot lane to push the turret in a few seconds, what iv'e been trying to get for multiple bases and trades...

Buffing tanks will not fix this shitfest. Tiny little dinks in the amount of damage that some specific runes and builds do, will not fix the game. The problem, the core problem, is the fact that Runes and Items have the worse balance that they have ever had, just because it's "new and fresh". No Riot games... Your tiny dinks spread out months in between every little dink, will not fix your game.

So since we always have to wait till "pre-season", or "next season", i guess i am done till then. Because clearly nothing smart is going to be done anytime soon. I can't even bring myself to do normals or ARAMs anymore, let alone ranked. Not when my rank is decided by a TERRIBLE winrate system, that forces you to hover at 50%, intentionally giving you terrible situations that 9 times out of 10, you will lose, just to hover that win %. Heaven forbid if your actual skill shines, and shows what you can do. Nope, we need you to stay at this win % because well, who the fuck knows at this point. Combine this system, with the current state of the game, and it's just not fun or enjoyable. People are so incredibly toxic, and it has only gotten worse this entire season.

See yall when next season hits IG. Maybe they will restore skill in the game, but unlikely...

Can we just be honest about the old Rune system? It kind of sucked. It was a grindfest, and there were only a couple of ways to build a run page if you were playing for real.

The new rune system is Goddamn stupid, but I'm not going to look back to the old one with rose tinted glasses.

How about this: just get rid of the stupid things. The old system was (mostly) just a statblock enhancer, and that doesn't lend itself to get gameplay since few people want lol to be a stat check game, the new one leads to ridiculous burst & snowballing. Why do we need runes? What do they add to the game?

nelogis17 votes

Can we just be honest about the old Rune system? It kind of sucked. It was a grindfest, and there were only a couple of ways to build a run page if you were playing for real.

Make runes free, problem solved

Also, the way you used runes =/= the way others used it I had 8 different rune pages for GP alone (4, if you remove MR/Armor dublicates)

The new rune system is Goddamn stupid, but I'm not going to look back to the old one with rose tinted glasses.

New one doesn't have runes, that is mainly a mastery system.

How about this: just get rid of the stupid things. The old system was (mostly) just a statblock enhancer, and that doesn't lend itself to get gameplay since few people want lol to be a stat check game, the new one leads to ridiculous burst & snowballing. Why do we need runes? What do they add to the game?

Since everyone got the runes, nobody had then in that sense. Old runes were always some damage, some resistances and if needed some utility.

The damage and resistances equaled themselfes out more or less between every champ. The utility you put altered your playstyle a lot (for example taking movementspeed instead of attack speed quints for the jungle or whatever)

BUT what made them so important was that you were able to play the game how you wanted or react to your lane opponent. Getting +12MR or +70HP altered your playstyle in laning phase quite a bit and it offered protection against different stuff. Against Fiora I rather got more HP than armor, against Kog I rather got MR than HP/Armor etc...

You were able to create the rune page best used for a specific scenario, aka you were able to use your experience you gained from playing the game in your runes and get a upper hand on your opponent.

Tell me, do you give a single fuck about your runes based on the enemy team? No, if that rune setup is the best you just use that setup for 100% of matchups.

I would like to use Grasp / Domination on GP, but I don't want AD, give me my effing Armor Pen, I also don't want Armor (base stat buffs that came along with rune changes) when playing against Fizz, give me my effing MR. I'm playing against Rene, lane is lost anyway give me my effing HP/lvl stats so I can come back harder. Playing against Nasus, need to bully him the best I can, get rid of the HP and give me my effing Armor.

Runes did way more than just "stat check" the game and it is a bummer that you never have seen or used their potential.

Runes RIGHT NOW are the +11 AD or +15 AP (adaptive) that is slapped onto a rune tree. The runes themselfes are masteries. So by your logic they are still stat-check but they are doing a really shitty job at that.

Removing runes alltogether would make it so most champs would be only playable in only one way. You would kill off-meta builds and playstyles.

Semaj3xt4h5 votes

Agreed, Albeit I play ARAM only, I had several setups for various champions I enjoyed.... sooo many different play styles, I've talked about this in several posts but you hit the hammer on the nail. That's what I miss the most about the old rune system, if I didn't want to be a crit cannon I could go armor pen or squeeze in a bit of HP regen if i was a bruiser/fighter ( again in ARAM ).

I had so much fun, now there are very few champions that have different play styles. Like take Nasus, in ARAM you can play him AD/AP/Tank or sometimes I build this AOE build involving zekes/abyssal/sunfire/liandrys a build that has such massive aoe when combined with his ult it just shreds alot of the enemy melee ( and buffs the adcs autos obviously ). Taking away the previous runes/masteries kind of neutered alot of off-meta play styles for certain champions, at least through my experiences in ARAM.

Point is, the other rune system actually allowed us to tweak our playstyles instead of just running whatever puts out the most damage etc.

JRobin314 votes

Yup, called it out ever since they put forth the new 'Rune' system for feedback. The new 'Rune' system as far as I can tell was a playground for designers to come up with 'stuff' to throw in games. Meaning they took the power out of the hands of players. Players used to have the power to use runes to design and customize.

Now that the designers have designed most of the 'runes', there is much less design activity to be had there. So it's luster is going to start to fade. They may even eventually realize that all of this design effort went into a concept that was fundamentally flawed from the beginning. The point of the rune system should be to empower players to customize - not to empower game designers to come up with shiny glitterati.

Cavesloth1 votes

Yes, but they fixed the old system just before they brought out the new one, every rune was 1ip (due to coding they couldn't make them free without alot of work, but 1ip was so close it was easy for just about anyone to get what they needed). Boom grind fixed, which was the ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT. So bringing up, oh I hated the grind of the old system is just dumb, the fix was already there.

Shobek3 votes

Old runes WERE SO MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strategy is so much less apparent with out them. Its boring as hell.

Cavesloth3 votes

It's ironic isn't it? The runes themselves were boring stats, but they made for so much more flexibility in play styles that they made the game more interesting.

Shobek1 votes

Yeah the game is Way less interesting without the old rune system. There were just so many infinite strategies.

Strategy is very very condensed now. Its made me notice that there are some champions that are just wombo and broken that were there all along.

Glory976 votes

As for the question: WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE UNBALANCED?. The answer is quite simple: because NOBODY IS CAPABLE OF FIXING THE PROBLEMES THIS GAME HAS. And if you just want to wait till next season, you will be dissappointed. In 7-8 months you'll make a similar post like this one and I'll comment on it again.

But we have to admit that fixing problemes is a much harder than it seems. One of the biggest problemes we had at the start of this season, is that the early game impact of junglers was too high. This opinion was also voiced out by multiple high rank player (streamers), not just hashinshin. So riot attempted to fix this probleme with a concept that seemed really good at first glance. They adjusted the exp and gold from several camps, making scuttle crap an important objective. And from a day to the next the ammount of viable jungler was decreased to 2-3 champions, midlane meta changed into "hardshove = autowin", and the super disgusting funneling strategie became extremly overpowered. The attempt of fixing one medium-size probleme created 3 new big problemes.

The only way of fixing problemes without creating 3 new problemes, is fixing ALL problemes at the same time and going back to a meta that is extremly simliar to season 4 or 5. But riot doesn't have the manpower to make so many changes at the same time. (Also shame on riot for straight up deleting all older versions of the game)

Cavesloth1 votes

If they didn't keep breaking things, it wouldn't be progressively harder to fix. You can't cry and say oh all these threads just don't realize how hard it would be for the devs to fix when they are the morons who've been breaking it for 8 fucking months. I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THEM. NOBODY SHOULD. Suck it up, accept responsibility for your actions, and GIT TA WORK YA LAZY SHITS.

theChibiTina5 votes

So true. Turrets are useless. They don't defend you and they certainly don't defend the nexus. I die once and there goes half the turret. I've taken enemy inhibitor as early as 15 minutes and had similar done to me. You're not usually equipped to handle super minions that early in the game.

ModAcademy Kayn4 votes

White Knights

Nice way of immediately disregarding anyone who disagrees with you by labeling them as someone whose biased and shouldn't be listened too. But nah, good job on promoting discussion. That's totally how you do it, by labeling people things.

Anin7772 votes

He's right. Calling out people who have enable Riot over the years to the point that they let DQ last a whole year. Ah I still remember preseason S5 like it was yesterday. Majority didn't want DQ but Riot say "dw, we'll bring solos". Guess what? After months of waiting, no Solos. People had been backing Riot and saying "you guys are just babies. wait and see". But then we got nothing and were forced to play DQ for ONE. WHOLE. FCKING. SEASON. Then S6 Preseason along with the jungle changes. These are just a few things that were backed by White Knights that turned out to be trash. The faster people stop defending every decision Riot makes, the quicker they fix up.

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

/> Thinking that a few 'White knights' on the boards means anything in the grand scope of a huge player base

K bud. Riot does what Riot is gonna do, no amount of villanizing others is gonna change the fact. 'White knights' didn't let DQ live. Riot did. You're categorizing people who liked DQ as 'White knights' when in reality, they just have a different opinion than yours.

Anin7771 votes

No. Just no. If the government said, "we'll increase taxes for the poor but don't worry later we'll increase taxes for the rich" and then they don't fulfil the latter of that statement, the people who defended the government didn't just "have a different opinion", they encourage damaging behaviour/decisions. This fad of going "it's just my opinion" should end. Take responsibility. Maybe think next time before blindly defending a company? Hmmmm

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Bruh.

This ain't a government. There is so much nuance you're ignoring here.

DEATHMETALGORE1 votes

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Nice way of immediately disregarding anyone who disagrees with you by labeling them as someone whose biased and shouldn't be listened too. But nah, good job on promoting discussion. That's totally how you do it, by labeling people things.

That's all you got from the post?

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

I extremely dislike people who try to go past just attacking someones argument, and instead go after the person themselves. He could easily have removed the White Knight portion, and have still had the same message to give, but by adding it, all I see of him now is some angry twat, who doesn't like it when people disagree with them.

Imagine if I started a post, and immediately labeled everyone who complained about Riot as "Blind, Riot haters who don't understand" and then immediately followed by calling you dumbasses. I'd be downvoted to hell, but because of the state of the boards, calling others 'White Knights' is perfectly fine.

Attack the argument, not the person. People who disagree with you, often have their own perspective, and aren't just defending Riot because they're 'White Knights'. The only way that people can 'enable' Riot, is if they were such an overwhelming majority of the playerbase that they can be seen as an honest representation of the community, which in that case, it's not enabling. It's people enjoying the game.

PaffWasTaken4 votes

Back in S7...

"guys stop complaining, the game will be fixed with Pre-season 8"

And here we are, still waiting for the same problems along with a lot of new ones to be fixed with Season 9

EasternBladeStar3 votes

Quit the game. It's that simple. Stop playing, keep checking the boards / reddit occasionally to enjoy well-drawn criticism and shit posts, and to see if anything has changed.

DNFVixen3 votes

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Since Riot is so fast to push dumb shit on us, and so slow to fix the dumb shit, i think iv'e had enough for this season. It's ridiculous that i have to wait till "pre-season" or NEXT season, AKA, till the fucking LCS is over. BTW, kudos to all the "White Knights" on the boards who would just say " It's just pre-season, it'll change, stop bitching, things are unbalanced every pre-season". WHY? Why does it HAVE to be unbalanced? WHY? Explain that to me. What kind of thinking is that? News flash.. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. But your dumb asses encourage it...

Pro play should not be the deciding factor in balance in this damn game. Look what it's become. Even the damn pros don't like this shit. Top streamers quit, youtube creators refuse to play the game anymore simply because it's not fun, and they don't enjoy making League related content anymore, since it forces them to play this shitfest. Your LCS views are down quite a bit, and chat is filled with nothing but meme copy pasta about champs like Zoe existing.

I no longer dedicate any of my time to watching the LCS. It's boring as hell watching people run around till they cc someone and blow them up in half a second. WOW what an outplay! Truly amazing feat there. I used to order pizza, buy beers and have buddies over to cheer on for our teams. That stopped a long time ago...

Know what i liked about old league? Strategy. Outplaying people. Objectives. Countering people with runes and builds. What got my heart racing in the laning phase? When 2 outplay champions are being played, and we are all over the lane in a fight of muscle reflexes and mechanics. And who ever didn't fuck up would win the trade. But you know what made that better? Is the fact that the person could come back to lane, and still have a chance to outplay me. The fight would go back and forth. You didn't just get 1 kill, or push them out of lane for 20 seconds, and completely own the lane from there on. Not to mention it took way more than just one trade, to force someone out of lane. You had to chunk em down over multiple trades, and then go for the all in. Now? Psh... 1 trade, and it's over.

Laning phase is too damn short because Riot refuses to address TURRETS. Turrets going down in 4-5 minutes. What a damn joke dude... Half the time mid lane you can't even get a kill in the amount of time that it takes bot to destroy a turret. If your bot lane dies once, they lose turret, and here comes bot lane to take my turret with ease, because psh, 3 autos is enough to send you out of your lane. Or the reverse. Our bot lane wins? Here comes bot lane to push the turret in a few seconds, what iv'e been trying to get for multiple bases and trades...

Buffing tanks will not fix this shitfest. Tiny little dinks in the amount of damage that some specific runes and builds do, will not fix the game. The problem, the core problem, is the fact that Runes and Items have the worse balance that they have ever had, just because it's "new and fresh". No Riot games... Your tiny dinks spread out months in between every little dink, will not fix your game.

So since we always have to wait till "pre-season", or "next season", i guess i am done till then. Because clearly nothing smart is going to be done anytime soon. I can't even bring myself to do normals or ARAMs anymore, let alone ranked. Not when my rank is decided by a TERRIBLE winrate system, that forces you to hover at 50%, intentionally giving you terrible situations that 9 times out of 10, you will lose, just to hover that win %. Heaven forbid if your actual skill shines, and shows what you can do. Nope, we need you to stay at this win % because well, who the fuck knows at this point. Combine this system, with the current state of the game, and it's just not fun or enjoyable. People are so incredibly toxic, and it has only gotten worse this entire season.

See yall when next season hits IG. Maybe they will restore skill in the game, but unlikely...

Quite unlikely as long as they have ghostcancer and meddler.

Failog1 votes

Exactly. The mentality of the game has to fundamentally change, and that will require different leadership and ideas. They are not up to the task.

Shobek1 votes

Ghostcrawler ruined and oversimplified wow removing the game identity that players invested years of time playing and establishing. He also gave up on balancing wow pvp. Only now that he is gone is wow actually focusing their effort towards pvp on this next expansion.

The same oversimplification is happening to league.

Ezking152 votes

As Scarra said; "I'm honestly just waiting for next season to see what happens" And I assume if the same shit continues he is gonna stop playing league. so sad.

TheSingularity1 votes

Think that's the boat a large portion of the player base is in. Pre season 9 is riot's last chance to fix everything. Not one thing, or 2 things. Absolutely everything. If they fail, this games population is going to go down obscenely fast.

Aram Mama 2 votes

If this is my game owned by me, i would not tolerate this balance team a day more! I cant understand how these people got their jobs? Are they the one making these decisions or not? Who the fuck is in charge of ruining this game anyways?

YOU CANT ONLY THINK ABOUT MONEY AND ABOUT LC$, people need to understand that this game is popular only because people play it, if there is no one to play it then there is no one to watch it there goes your fucking lcs big plays viewership and sponsor money.

I loved this game so much, played it for years but right now i swear to god, i wish it dies out like starcraft did, this team that is in charge of our game now doesent deserve this game.

Lucian Waifu2 votes

Riot should have patches to fix the game or add new content: runes, masteries, champions, items, and balance fixes. The problem with a patch cycle is that riot screws up the game once it becomes relatively balanced. There should be a happy medium Riot strives for because they will never have a fully balanced game, something will always be somewhat more powerful than something else.

Shoun2 votes

Don't come back, be free and play other games, release yourself from this doo doo of a game. All the best to you friend.

BLIGHTBRINGER2 votes

Tbh Riot is trolling us, when something as obvious as this is an issue that is being complained about everywhere (Reddit, Boards, YouTube) and they refuse to believe how far the quality of gameplay has downgraded so much, goes to show how truely careless majority of them are (not all Rioters though, some are really awesome individuals).

There's no strategy, no actual fighting enjoyment as everyone blows each other up in a matter of a second.

Certain champions are so weak that they aren't able to keep up with the power levels of newer champions (Zoe, Kai'Sa, and so on...)

Instead of doing either; a major change to attempt to balance what ever is left of this game healthiness, or giving more reworks to champions (Ashe, Amumu, Mordekaiser, Skarner, Zac, even Varus) to give them more availability to be able to stand a chance against most newer champions.

Morgenštern1 votes

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Tbh Riot is trolling us, when something as obvious as this is an issue that is being complained about everywhere (Reddit, Boards, YouTube) and they refuse to believe how far the quality of gameplay has downgraded so much.

There's no stratagy, no actual fighting enjoyment as everyone blows up in a matter of a second.

Certain champions are so weak that they aren't able to keep up with the power levels of newer champions (Zoe, Kai'Sa, and so on...)

Instead of doing either; a major change to attempt to balance what ever is left of this game healthiness, or giving more reworks to champions (Ashe, Amumu, Mordekaiser, Skarner, Zac, even Varus) to give them more availability to be able to stand a chance against most newer champions.

Hmm the little indie company has never had the financial means to care for the less played half of its champions, and for many years they have goals, they just don't aim at making the game enjoyable, strategic, player-rewarding, decisions and mechanically rewarding and on top of all they don't want the players to roleplay their champion, but instead just think they're some stupid assassins blowing up an opponent after the other.

League of Legends, like everything born american, is now made to be as simple as possible.

Lakega2 votes

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Since Riot is so fast to push dumb shit on us, and so slow to fix the dumb shit, i think iv'e had enough for this season. It's ridiculous that i have to wait till "pre-season" or NEXT season, AKA, till the fucking LCS is over. BTW, kudos to all the "White Knights" on the boards who would just say " It's just pre-season, it'll change, stop bitching, things are unbalanced every pre-season". WHY? Why does it HAVE to be unbalanced? WHY? Explain that to me. What kind of thinking is that? News flash.. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. But your dumb asses encourage it...

Pro play should not be the deciding factor in balance in this damn game. Look what it's become. Even the damn pros don't like this shit. Top streamers quit, youtube creators refuse to play the game anymore simply because it's not fun, and they don't enjoy making League related content anymore, since it forces them to play this shitfest. Your LCS views are down quite a bit, and chat is filled with nothing but meme copy pasta about champs like Zoe existing.

I no longer dedicate any of my time to watching the LCS. It's boring as hell watching people run around till they cc someone and blow them up in half a second. WOW what an outplay! Truly amazing feat there. I used to order pizza, buy beers and have buddies over to cheer on for our teams. That stopped a long time ago...

Know what i liked about old league? Strategy. Outplaying people. Objectives. Countering people with runes and builds. What got my heart racing in the laning phase? When 2 outplay champions are being played, and we are all over the lane in a fight of muscle reflexes and mechanics. And who ever didn't fuck up would win the trade. But you know what made that better? Is the fact that the person could come back to lane, and still have a chance to outplay me. The fight would go back and forth. You didn't just get 1 kill, or push them out of lane for 20 seconds, and completely own the lane from there on. Not to mention it took way more than just one trade, to force someone out of lane. You had to chunk em down over multiple trades, and then go for the all in. Now? Psh... 1 trade, and it's over.

Laning phase is too damn short because Riot refuses to address TURRETS. Turrets going down in 4-5 minutes. What a damn joke dude... Half the time mid lane you can't even get a kill in the amount of time that it takes bot to destroy a turret. If your bot lane dies once, they lose turret, and here comes bot lane to take my turret with ease, because psh, 3 autos is enough to send you out of your lane. Or the reverse. Our bot lane wins? Here comes bot lane to push the turret in a few seconds, what iv'e been trying to get for multiple bases and trades...

Buffing tanks will not fix this shitfest. Tiny little dinks in the amount of damage that some specific runes and builds do, will not fix the game. The problem, the core problem, is the fact that Runes and Items have the worse balance that they have ever had, just because it's "new and fresh". No Riot games... Your tiny dinks spread out months in between every little dink, will not fix your game.

So since we always have to wait till "pre-season", or "next season", i guess i am done till then. Because clearly nothing smart is going to be done anytime soon. I can't even bring myself to do normals or ARAMs anymore, let alone ranked. Not when my rank is decided by a TERRIBLE winrate system, that forces you to hover at 50%, intentionally giving you terrible situations that 9 times out of 10, you will lose, just to hover that win %. Heaven forbid if your actual skill shines, and shows what you can do. Nope, we need you to stay at this win % because well, who the fuck knows at this point. Combine this system, with the current state of the game, and it's just not fun or enjoyable. People are so incredibly toxic, and it has only gotten worse this entire season.

See yall when next season hits IG. Maybe they will restore skill in the game, but unlikely...

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the 2 people in Riot deciding these changes, are so far up their own backsides sucking each other off they really don't care. Why would they? They're getting paid doing literally the worst job I've ever seen in any business, why would they change? Throw some non sensical crap out here and there, call it good.

It doesn't help that there are so many white knights defending Riot, or making excuses for them either. Or thinking "well gee this pre season sucks, but they all do! lets wait till next season and see what riot does" only for them to repeat that same thing year after year.

Riot destroyed their game years ago. Which year that was is up for debate, and opinion, but the bottom line is, they did. More and more people are leaving league, and this is shown by how many youtubers and streamers who made league their llife are leaving. these are people who rely on the views playing league to live everyday and they are leaving the game. That's how bad it is...

And when the pro's who are literally getting paid to play the game, and who need to keep a positive face about the game, and not talk shit about Riot or the state of the game, are showing cracks, and frustration... you know shit is bad...

Shobek2 votes

Honestly. I'm convinced at this point that half of the "white knights" are just propaganda fake posters. Prove me wrong. Lots of negative posts get deleted while of course all positive posts get ignored.

Censorship is not an uncommon practice. Neither is fake reviews.

Morgenštern1 votes

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I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the 2 people in Riot deciding these changes, are so far up their own backsides sucking each other off they really don't care. Why would they? They're getting paid doing literally the worst job I've ever seen in any business, why would they change? Throw some non sensical crap out here and there, call it good.

It doesn't help that there are so many white knights defending Riot, or making excuses for them either. Or thinking "well gee this pre season sucks, but they all do! lets wait till next season and see what riot does" only for them to repeat that same thing year after year.

Riot destroyed their game years ago. Which year that was is up for debate, and opinion, but the bottom line is, they did. More and more people are leaving league, and this is shown by how many youtubers and streamers who made league their llife are leaving. these are people who rely on the views playing league to live everyday and they are leaving the game. That's how bad it is...

And when the pro's who are literally getting paid to play the game, and who need to keep a positive face about the game, and not talk shit about Riot or the state of the game, are showing cracks, and frustration... you know shit is bad...

I do believe LoL died in early 2015 or started not to be the LoL we devoted our lives to. Of course, LoL has been progressively killed by patchs and new champions while there has always been one or two teams at Riot still doing good work (Rek'Sai, Illaoi andAurelion Sol for instance), but fact is it makes more than 3 years LoL is not LoL.

Meowpai1 votes

I agree for the most part. This season (especially recently) has been very frustrating for me and I find myself playing league less and less. Previous seasons I've had several loss streaks, but I've always been able to bounce back. This one just feels like a dead end.

Shobek1 votes

Know what i liked about old league? Strategy. Outplaying people. Objectives. Countering people with runes and builds.<

This bro. So much this.

this new league is so annoying.

WE LIKE PUTTING THOUGHT IN BEFORE GAMES! Don't make the game so mindless.

dogehkiin1 votes

not gonna be happy until Riot gives my old runes and most important, my 0.98% crit mark back.

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