About the incoming nerfs to W max Zoe...

Bârd··8 votes·4,342 views

I think that this is exactly the playstyle you should be encouraging for Zoe.

When she maxes Q>E>W, she's kinda boring to play and extremely obnoxious to play against. It's entertaining for sure, but the combo gets old. You just keep spamming E until you get one, and then you do a max range Q on the poor schmuck. She's basically a pure frag machine.

When she maxes Q>W>E, she's still an annoyance, but she's more fun to play as and has more risks than an artillery Zoe. She zooms around teamfights with constant speedboosts, doing a decent amount of persistent damage with W bolts and Paddle Star spam. She can no longer 100-0 somebody with an E-Q-Auto, but she can now kite people and run them down.

Zoe is a trickster. With artillery builds, she doesn't feel that way.

With builds centered around Spell Thief, you really FEEL like a trickster.

If you nerf her W, though, Zoe players are gonna have to go back to the E build, which isn't really an improvement.

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Slythrin Umbreon5 votes

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Zoe is a trickster. With artillery builds, she doesn't feel that way.

With builds centered around Spell Thief, you really FEEL like a trickster.

If you nerf her W, though, Zoe players are gonna have to go back to the E build, which isn't really an improvement.

God, thank you. Honestly, one shot burst ruins almost all of Leagues "tricksters/decievers" Fizz Leblanc Shaco still has some. still sucks ass to play against

Warlord Scrap4 votes

lets nerf over 50% winrate sion by buffing his q.

ChaddyFantome5 votes

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lets nerf over 50% winrate sion by buffing his q.

Still boggles my mind.

Warlord Scrap2 votes

well if his q was op whoed rush his e. and it wouldnt of been half as bad if that wasnt the reason they gave

SpiritBlood3 votes

To be fair this champ should be dead. Her design is extremally toxic to play agains her. Probable the longest CC in game (slow then sleep) alows her to land a full range q without a problem. And ye..... Rng.. i know i know. There is some rng in this game crit, dragons thats fine i guess. But getting 4x ignite in 10 min from minions and 2x protobelt and some other stuffs for FREE is a bullshit. Like imagine a soccer match. Someone get a goal then football referee coming to throw a dice. 1-3 goal 4-6 no goal at all. Welcome to the Zoe mechanics where RNG winning your game.

ChaddyFantome3 votes

Zoe should be more of a Battle Mage imo anyway so I agree with you wholeheartedly TC. She is a Trickster and playing around her W, (you know, the thing that actually makes her unique and special as a champion) is far more enjoyable to play as and against.

It's the same way i feel about Rework Leblanc verses Reverted Leblanc.

Khristophoros3 votes

As of today's PBE update the only significant nerf is the AP ratio which is not related to which skills you max first.

The duration at max rank is going down by 1 second but overall there's not very much happening to make it worse to max it.

They reverted the movement speed percentage nerf which IMO is stupid. I get what you're saying but it's pretty stupid that she has a 70% movement speed buff on her kit that she can potentially refresh several times in a fight.

If you want the rank up bonus to be good then the base should be lower. It starts at 30% movement speed which is also kind of ridiculous for this ability to have at rank 1.

Jinzo Torrance2 votes

Don't nerf 70% non-decaying MS on an auto-pilto ability because otherwise she needs to use mana and her mouse to kill someone

EL O EL

Titanium701 votes

Sounds fine... in theory..

In reality I've seen Zoes playing from behind missing everything and still winning trades at some point in the game! Nerfing this is more than justified.

Jaygo411 votes

The problem is that she's not fun to play against.... Why keep her around? Throw her in the dirt

Bisaknosp1 votes

she actually needs nerfs to her passive, w and base stats

Malix Farwin1 votes

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she actually needs nerfs to her passive, w and base stats

If you want to agrue that she needs kit changes or power shifted around to be more enjoyable to lane against thats fine but her actual performance is fine. She is literally sitting at a solid 50% WR right now and ranked 28th out of 50 in the mid lane. There are currently 13 mages outperforming her in diamond+

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