As a Support main by heart, I am sick of being the ADC slave!

Raoul·Oct 24, 2017·155 votes·5,600 views

I want to support the whole team! I want everyone to be equally important to the team, so everyone needs my support! I want to play engage support, tank support, ANYTHING thats not just the ADCs BUFF BlTCH, and not feel like I am trolling my team.

Why is RIOT so openly bias to keep ADCs on a power level 3 steps over everyone else? Why is EVERYTHINg that can rival ADCs importance in the game nerfed the second it comes up?

Why should 4 people literally have to be second class below the ADC master Race every game? (or 3 if mid also picks ADC)

Seriously, RIOT, BALANCE YOUR DAMN GAME ALREADY! EVERYONE BUT ADC MAINS TELLS YOU WHERE THE PROBLEM IS FOR A WHOLE YEAR BY NOW! Drop your damn favoritism towards ADCs and BALANCE YOU GAME!

135 Comments

I wear GivenchyOct 24, 201744 votes

supports are npcs.

LightIsMyPathOct 24, 201738 votes

I want to play Nami and be able to go around bubbling stuff, I want to play Soraka and be able to play ambulance with my mid and jungler, I want to play Lulu and show up mid to remind the midlaners squirrels are cute, I want to play Janna and actually use my movement speed to pressure the map as best I can. I love enchanters when I am support but not the way they are forced to play now. I want an actual decision making on when and on who to use my abilities not "press E/W on the ADC while he's autoattacking gg you won the fight"

DuskDaUmbreonOct 24, 201719 votes

If you're the slave to the ADC, you're doing your job wrong. It's not hard to figure out how to press E on the assassin as Janna, or how to use item 3109 on your Lee Sin. If the only thing you can to is shield the ADC, you're not a support main - you're a support bandwagoner and meta slave.

DeathYuiOct 25, 20173 votes

Then play support. Do all those things you say. Tell me how many times you win.

Fools HesltateOct 24, 201711 votes

"I want to support my whole team!"

Play jungle.

You're welcome.

Reaper SorakaOct 24, 201718 votes

Goes on to play jungle; ends up buying knight's vow and locket for the adc.

Thanks, Riot.

Painted CeltOct 24, 20179 votes

I agree with the OP and I have some ideas on how to improve the situation for supports:

Add itemization that allows better supporting of all roles.
1-b) could be made to work best bound to a melee champion. Rather than granting an ADC-centric crit-scaling on-hit buff to an ally, it could summon a burning AOE storm around the bound ally, and when the support's ice storm and the ally's fire storm affect a shared opponent, both storms could grow and become enhanced. This would make it best to bind a diver and coordinate to have both the support and bound ally engage together in a fight. 1-c) already makes a decent supportive item that helps AP champions, but I think there should be at least one more APC-centric supportive item. I especially think that an early-buy supportive APC item would be good to encourage bot-lane carry diversity by improving mage + support synergy. Something like the following could work well with an APC like Cassiopeia.
Unique Aura: Nearby allies gain +25% base mana regeneration and their magic damage Corrupts opponents for 6 seconds. Unique Passive: Dealing damage or CC to an opponent Corrupted by another ally reduces the opponent's flat magic resistance by 6 and bonus magic resistance by 10% over 2 seconds while the enemy is Corrupted (stacking up to 18 flat reduction and 30% bonus magic resistance). [This item could be built out of a component which offers the same effect minus the % bonus magic resistance shredding, which would make it clearly a good laning tool which scales into a tank shredding item for supporting a DPS APC.]
Changes could be made to push mid lane to become the new duo-lane. This would allow the support greater to roam to either top-lane or bot-lane during laning as needed. Increased roaming freedom would also open up more support+jungle teamwork. With changes to allow supports to work with mages/divers better, the new duo-lane could become very diverse with supports working with marksmen, mages, assassins, or even rarely skirmisher/vanguard mid-lane carries. In regard to assassins/divers, they would likely struggle to snowball in laning if counter-picked by a peel support in the duo-lane, so they would be a risky first-pick in a duo mid-lane. Because that added risk would make assassins less common picks in mid-lane, they would probably need buffs to make them more viable in the jungle or new solo bot-lane. Also, bot-lane might need to have the turrets/bushes adjusted to make it safer for squishy solo laners, and mid-lane might need to be adjusted to make it less safe as a duo-lane.
New support objectives could be added around the map, encouraging supports to roam rather than baby-sitting one lane. I posted an idea a long time ago for "Support Shrines" which could be activated by a champion with a specific summoner spell, sort of like how smite enables Junglers to take certain objectives. The idea was that the shrines would boost the support's XP and gold income while activated, while also providing minor team-wide buffs similar to dragon buffs.

MysterQOct 24, 20178 votes

I won't agree with everything you said. I don't mind helping my ADC< just like I don't mind helping every lane.

The biggest complaint is bad ADCs who need me to babysit. Like if I am obviously roaming, you better know how to play that 1v2 lane. Don't die and then blame me for roaming when it was a fine time to roam. Sure there are bad times to roam, but there are times when I should feel free to without you dying like a moron. Likewise. Please synch your back timings together. I get it we can't always do it. But if you die and I back, don't go to lane alone just to die again. Wait for me to get there.

The good ADCs who don't need you are always amazing feels. I don't want to be needed for protection, I want to be there for support to help make the plays. I guess I don't play Raka, I should play more of her though to protect.

XonraOct 26, 20171 votes

I mean, it is pretty easy to just kill an adc under tower when a support leaves. I do it all the time. I see the support roaming out of lane. Whelp Shield adc, take a tower shot while my adc going in. Back out and shield them. Free kill. If they leave, then free cs. Now we basically won lane pressure 100%.

You can't just walk off like that this meta unless you have jungler on your side of the map and a REALLY obviously good reason to roam, like you better had got an advantage somewhere else or you just lost your lane flat out.

MysterQOct 26, 20171 votes

Except, it isn't turret dives killing these "ADCs" It has happened multiple times where I get them 3-0. And they die because they push up alone and then die 2v1. Maybe I m playing it wrong, but I have had other ADCs understand the lane and not die in the 2v1.

I am not leaving when they are vulnerable. They are literally 3-0 and the wave is still not reset. The "AD" just thinks he can poke or something because he has a lead.

RookPusherOct 24, 20178 votes

If you're the slave, that is your own doing. I'm there to keep this problem child alive and fed. Once that mission is accomplished, I move on. When it comes to ADCs, you help them to help themselves.

PlacentasOct 24, 201711 votes

Eh,,, I side with OP. I've often tried to roam after bot lane wins/loses and I generally get threatened with reports. I'm not even trolling, not taking cs, just straight up supporting.

So yeah it's their "choice" for being a slave, but the other option is to get reported. And we all know Riot's report system can be faulty so it's not even worth the risk half the time.

RookPusherOct 24, 20174 votes

I guess? I mean, if you're actually helping the rest of the team, playing to win, and are friendly, it's hard to imagine the reports sticking.

What I find tends to shut a troll up pretty fast is other people applauding you. Throw in a few "nice work, man" comments and you're pretty much fine. Having said that I love playing Zilean and Bard and if they aren't roaming, they're failing.

CarameI FrappeOct 24, 201711 votes

As a Support Main myself, I can’t afford to roam and help other people because I get bitched at by my ADC and even by others for not sticking to my ADC all game.

Like it or not, this meta heavily favors ADCs and if you’re not helping them melt the enemy down, you’re costing the game by playing how you want. Unless your ADC is that skilled or your team is very ahead without any competition, they will want you to be the ADC’s dog.

That’s also why I’ve been picking enchanters over my tank supports ... just easier to keep ADCs alive v_v ...

EnderkkOct 24, 20178 votes

Obviously you dont love the support role if you dont have fun with Nami, Thresh, Blitzcrank or even the quirky plays you can make with Janna and some other Enchanters. Stop throwing salt around lol

GL HF on rift bud.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ManWithNoBeardOct 24, 20176 votes

i love you because you play aggressive supports.

RaoulOct 24, 201717 votes

I wish I could. But every game its "Pick Janna or Soraka or we report!" I am so sick of it, I started to actually play other roles but Support...

I played support only for nearly 2 seasons with a different role now and then for fun, but this season I lost the fun in playing support! Janna is boring! Soraka is boring! Sona is boring!

Everyone else isnt as good in buffing the ADC, so its literally trolling...

dunder killOct 24, 201727 votes

But every game its "Pick Janna or Soraka or we report!"

This almost never happens let alone "every game"

Faceroll TacticsOct 24, 20176 votes

When I was smurfing in other regions, I accepted the loss in champ select if I saw an ardent abuser on the other team and a non ardent abuser on my team. I think I won 2 games out of the 15 this occurred in

Done25Oct 24, 20176 votes

Supports will never be free for as long as Marksmen are the only class allowed to carry by killing objectives and towers.

The new anti-tower rune will help a little.

Faceroll TacticsOct 24, 20175 votes

Top Laners like Fiora and Tryndamere can take objectives and towers fast, it's just that they suck in teamfights. Adcs are good at all 3, and they have a permanent bodyguard. That's lane balance presented by Ghostcrawler

Pixie StormOct 24, 20175 votes

A lot of people are saying it has to do with Riot Ghostcrawler's bias favoritism towards the marksman class.

http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1919238

EleshakaiOct 24, 20171 votes

People always blame developer bias... they're never right, but they always blame it.

Dextix LTOct 24, 20174 votes

Its either bias or incompetence. Choose your poison.

EleshakaiOct 25, 20171 votes

Make your own MOBA with 100+ characters and balance it better. If you're going to call them incompetent, you'd better be able to back it up with proof that you're in a real position to judge their capabilities.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of how strong ADC are right now. But I'm not stupid enough to think that the devs are incompetent just 'cause I dislike the current meta.

Dextix LTOct 25, 20172 votes

Ah the usual "You cannot critisize something if you have not done it!"

I am calling them incompetent because to this day, they STILL have not managed to fix the main balance problems of the game. I am calling them incompetent because when i compare them to the balance team of other games i see that they are lacking. I am calling them incompetent because DOTA is a far more balanced game while having FAR MORE things to balance.

I do not need to be a 5 star chef to see that i am being served shit. I do not need to make a moba to see that the balance of it is wrong.

Tell me, if the developers ARE competent, why are they making amature mistakes? Why do they leave broken things up for MONTHS, and why they cannot balance an entire role for 6 SEASONS!

XonraOct 26, 20171 votes

What do you mean...you've never walked into oncoming traffic so how do you KNOW it's a bad idea?

I mean maybe it will give you super powers.

Søn oƒ EchidnæOct 25, 20175 votes

In a similar sense, I am tired, as a support main myself, of being what the ADC nearly always identifies as his/her "bitch".

I can't tell you how many times I've selflessly stood in the face of danger, miraculously portended incoming insta kill ganks, or just kept my ADC/team from slipping over the edge and won fights by the skin of our teeth because of my quick thinking, and ability to actually "guard" my team rather than just stand by spamming heals or shields.

But that amounts to little, as 9/10 times, the ADC angrily spam pings me on every single action they see as "unfitting" of my "bitch" status to them.

-Kill a minion? FUCK YOU STOP TAKING ALL MY CS -Miss a skillshot to stun/slow/whatever? OMFG YOU'RE A FUCKING USELESS SUP UNINSTALL -Attempt to save your ADC who stepped out of line? WTF WHERE WERE YOU SPAM PING SPAM PING SPAM PING -Decide to port back to base because you're out of mana finally? FUCK YOU DUDE YOU JUST GOT ME KILLED -Go help JG kill Dragon real quick because your lane is locked and not moving atm? SPAM PING SPAM PING SPAM PING ?????????????????? -Kill and/or shutdown the enemy Nemesis that has been killing your team all game? FUCKING KILL STEALING PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Choose offensive items over Support items mid game because your ADC is afk or SOL so you can dish some pain rather than lose your lane outright?

FUCK YOU REPORTED REPORTED SPAM PING SPAM PING SPAM PING I'M THE ADC YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO EQUIP WARDS AND ARDENT CENSOR WHY THE FUCK HAVE'NT YOU BUILT ME A REDEMPTION WTFFFFFF

(meanwhile that ADC is 2/8/1 because he can't be told to reposition properly in lane or gets ganked despite your attempt to tell him to back off)

MizayaOct 24, 20174 votes

Support is the only role where the most popular picks are all ADC dedicated, and that is probably because of coin. Carry top laners are very popular right now. Mid is a mix of burst mages, Assassins, and Azir. Jungle is a mix of tanks, bruisers, assassins, and Ezreal.

I mean how long can you guys really keep this illusion of "ADC and 4 wards is the dominant meta" going? Hell, even Leona's doing fine right now. Play her with a good Draven, you'll do great. I know playing the victim is fun and Riot must have some amazing incentive to keep ADCs at a game-breaking state, but seriously...

Ahri BakaOct 24, 20174 votes

I play support a lot too , but , i'm not annoyed about the adc , thier mission is to have that high dmg anyway since they are " Attack Damage Carry ", they are not that strong without their support , the adc is squishy anyway and can die by 1 shot , as a mid laners and assassins main , my mission is to kill the enemy's adc , but that's almost impossible since that adc has a support with ardent , I'm not going to complain because it's 2 vs 1 , so it will be the battle between both adc's in the match , just throw that support away from the adc , and the adc is dead , of course that will be hard if that adc is fed and I miss my skill shots , but we can't do anything about it and Riot won't agree or nerf them anyway , what do you expect riot to do ? nerfing the champions ? that's impossible . nerfing the items ? that's possible but that will also nerf most of the champions such as Tryndamere who buys item 3087 and item 3072 and many other items , we can't do anything but to to play , we can't even stop playing lol , but yeah we will have to enjoy what we have .

Yaśuo MainOct 24, 20174 votes

So go fucking top or something. You'll find out why you are always needed next to an ADC.

XonraOct 26, 20171 votes

Lol support don't need the adc. The adc however NEEDS the support.

AgeOfTheMageOct 24, 20173 votes

mmhm! as a braum main, I love everything about his kit, but in order to proc my passive asap I need to have a marksman to help proc it(since they always have attack speed)

XxDRAGONsAK47xXOct 24, 20173 votes

I was sick of looking at my level 6 Blitzcrank on Sunday.

So I forced my friend to play ADC and I got level 7 blitz in 5 games. I got him his level 7 MF as well.

I carried his ass.

notice me Sin piOct 24, 20174 votes

i think it's more due to the synergy (stay behind minion = mf Qs u, dont stay behind minion = git hooked by blitz) than due to 15 tiers of skill level difference that made enemy duo bot play like bronzes

GelmousOct 25, 20173 votes

yeah i agree, i'm sick and tired of having another player in my lane screw me over because they don't know how to play, maybe have supports help mid top or jungle my dream is to have bot lane a 1v1 adc lane, if i was rich i would pay riot to get the support of bot lane to somewhere else.

ModValeevaOct 25, 20173 votes

Sorry but whining about it is your own fault.

If you are a support main (I'm an adc main with a support secondary) then you can play whatever damn support you want, I'd never stoop so low as to force myself to play ardent, this season alone not one person has bitched at me cos I play aggro engage supports (thresh, leo, naut).

It's all in your head.

XonraOct 26, 20171 votes

Yeah, of course the adc main wouldn't get what the issue is.

I am the shocked.

LogicalThinkTankOct 24, 20172 votes

what about us who wanna be just a floating buff stat (old sona anyone?)

XonraOct 26, 20171 votes

Or old Taric with all them aura items back in the day (Mana Manipulator for the win)

RavenMagusOct 24, 20172 votes

As an AP main, I want to be important and loved enough to have someone supporting me.

But no, every single enchanter buff in the game is bonus AD, damage on hit, and attack speed.

i cant move wtfOct 25, 20172 votes

Misfits beat SKT with fervor Leona. It's not the game, it's you.

Ya Bois TimbsOct 25, 20171 votes

guess who also lost against skt

Ventra117Oct 26, 20172 votes

Ha spotted the salty kid

Ya Bois TimbsOct 27, 20171 votes

hehe xd

Ventra117Oct 26, 20171 votes

zzz another crying QQ post. I wish a mod would remove this post when thousands of them have been made. At this point it contributes nothing.

RaoulOct 26, 20172 votes

Has anything changed about the broken state of the ADC? No? That means these threads are still needed!

Ventra117Oct 26, 20171 votes

ADCs aren't broken. Sorry to all the salty kids who see this comment but they arent.

RaoulOct 26, 20171 votes

So 600+ dmg per autoattack while being ranged and save behind your whole team is fine in your eyes? ADCs outburst Assassins and burst mages mid-lategame and they shouldnt!

ADCs should deal damage per second, not burst per second! And for sure not burst for 600+ dmg on a poke.

XonraOct 26, 20171 votes

And this post here contributes what exactly? Making people think you are a d-bag who feels self important enough to pop on and insult someone instead of just ignoring the thread?