GG for making season 6 an experiment rat
1- shit champs like 
2- removal of hide and seek
3- and ladies and gentlemen please say welcome to .... DYNAMIC QUEUE !
I don't get it , even tho all the hate on dynamic queue riot is forcing us to play it for some reason , even if they know that dynamic queue is shit but still they wont remove it ..
Keevalroy37 votesYeah so what happened this season? Just gonna add onto this list. The first 3 you mentioned.
Minarde4 votesThey also finally went all-out with blatant map bias by claiming blind pick normal SR is competitive mode, and ranked draft TT isn't.
manbearswine1 votesThey also finally went all-out with blatant map bias by claiming blind pick normal SR is competitive mode, and ranked draft TT isn't.
They are right about that though.
Minarde1 votesSo blind normal SR is a serious, tryhard, competitive mode?
If Riot had limited Mastery 6/7 to (dynamic) ranked SR, that'd be more understandable. After all, ranked 3s has some of the same problems that ranked 5s had. But they didn't. Riot specified a high competitive standard as a requirement and then included blind normals. Thus, the only possible conclusion is that blind normal SR is a serious competitive mode.
It's definitely an interesting notion.
manbearswine1 votesSo blind normal SR is a serious, tryhard, competitive mode?
More so than 3v3s, yes.
If Riot had limited Mastery 6/7 to (dynamic) ranked SR, that'd be more understandable. After all, ranked 3s has some of the same problems that ranked 5s had. But they didn't. Riot specified a high competitive standard as a requirement and then included blind normals. Thus, the only possible conclusion is that blind normal SR is a serious competitive mode.
It's definitely an interesting notion.
Mastery is fucking retarded, most of it is about if you win or lose anyway, frankly mastery should be based 100% on time played on said champ, no matter the mode(okay maybe except aram, fuck aram), so don't translate what I've said about where mastery points should be gained, I think the current system could've been done a lot better without all of this crap about "performance"(which doesn't correlate very well with actual performance).
But anyway, as far as being a competitive mode, I do believe blind is more competitive than 3v3s(ranked or otherwise), I also don't think that has anything to do with mastery.
Minarde1 votesI agree with you about the Mastery thing. I also agree that blind normal SR is probably more competitive than ranked TT in a practical sense, due to the playerbase difference. However, I don't agree with Riot's reasoning at all. Ranked TT should ideally be much more competitive than blind normal SR (because, y'know, ranked vs. normals). Denying rewards to TT only hurts the situation by further discouraging players from playing TT.
Rather than actually fixing anything, Riot's just trying to placate TT players for now. Riot evidently hasn't learned anything over the years because this is the same behavior that caused the current unpopularity of Alternate Maps.
manbearswine1 votesI agree with you about the Mastery thing. I also agree that blind normal SR is probably more competitive than ranked TT in a practical sense, due to the playerbase difference. However, I don't agree with Riot's reasoning at all. Ranked TT should ideally be much more competitive than blind normal SR (because, y'know, ranked vs. normals).
The issue is that one critical part of a mode being competitive is that it needs to have some remote semblance of balance, and riot just don't feel like it's worth doing that for any mode which isn't SR.
Denying rewards to TT only hurts the situation by further discouraging players from playing TT.
Rather than actually fixing anything, Riot's just trying to placate TT players for now. Riot evidently hasn't learned anything over the years because this is the same behavior that caused the current unpopularity of Alternate Maps.
Just because riot tells you something doesn't mean they are telling you the truth, reason blind has mastery and 3v3 doesn't is because they made their algorithms for SR(primarily due to ranked) but since they already have them for ranked, might as well implement them for blind and draft, they simply don't think it's as big of a priority to make the same for 3v3 and aram, that's all there is to it, mastery has nothing to do with competitiveness, even in its current form it's basically "how many games have you won(and assuming a large enough sample, might as well be games played) on this champ", hell you even get bonus mastery points for being in a premade, it has nothing to do with competitiveness, oh and of course how can we forget the blue essence, that is totally related to mastery, totally.
Oh and there's no reason for it not to account games played before the system, that too is dumb.
Minarde1 votesreason blind has mastery and 3v3 doesn't is because they made their algorithms for SR(primarily due to ranked) but since they already have them for ranked, might as well implement them for blind and draft, they simply don't think it's as big of a priority to make the same for 3v3 and aram, that's all there is to it, mastery has nothing to do with competitiveness,
Of course, that's why a year after Mastery came out, plans for TT/ARAM are only just being announced. Not even a timeframe though, just Soon™. The problem is that in the exact same announcement confirming that, "Yes, TT and ARAM are considered part of League of Legends and will finally have access to League features," Riot also included the public statement that ranked TT is not competitive. Was neglect not enough, so Riot has to start actively discouraging players from trying non-SR modes? Even if Riot isn't doing anything to help Alternate Maps, they could at least avoid harming them.
Oh and there's no reason for it not to account games played before the system, that too is dumb.
I can sorta understand why they wouldn't include previous games. It'd be a pain distributing points for hundreds and thousands of games for millions of players. Plus, Riot's lost match history and game stats for players before, so maybe there's technical limitations too.
manbearswine1 votesOf course, that's why a year after Mastery came out, plans for TT/ARAM are only just being announced. Not even a timeframe though, just Soon™. The problem is that in the exact same announcement confirming that, "Yes, TT and ARAM are considered part of League of Legends and will finally have access to League features," Riot also included the public statement that ranked TT is not competitive. Was neglect not enough, so Riot has to start actively discouraging players from trying non-SR modes? Even if Riot isn't doing anything to help Alternate Maps, they could at least avoid harming them.
I mean considering they deleted dominion... it could be worse. Thing is as I've said, they just consider it a very low priority, it's not so much that they don't think TT deserves mastery points as they don't think it deserves work in general. And I can't blame them for calling ranked TT not competitive, the mode is too shallow and broken to be considered that way.
I can sorta understand why they wouldn't include previous games. It'd be a pain distributing points for hundreds and thousands of games for millions of players.
You just assume the player got a B rank each game,it's really just going over games previously played, it shouldn't be much work.
And as to this being not accurate: most of your mastery points are decided by if you won or lost anyway, and more importantly, assuming a B is much more(like, a whole fucking lot more) accurate than just ignoring these games altogether.
Plus, Riot's lost match history and game stats for players before, so maybe there's technical limitations too.
I mean I don't know if he eventually got his icon or not, and there's no red reply there, and it's one thread, so I don't know.
Minarde1 votesAnd I can't blame them for calling ranked TT not competitive, the mode is too shallow and broken to be considered that way.
It's one thing if Riot says that internally and privately. It's completely different when Riot says that officially in a public statement. I'm also not sure I'd call it shallow or broken. Stale, maybe.
And as to this being not accurate: most of your mastery points are decided by if you won or lost anyway, and more importantly, assuming a B is much more(like, a whole fucking lot more) accurate than just ignoring these games altogether.
Sure, but on further thought, Mastery functions as another hook to keep players playing. It wouldn't really serve that purpose if a significant portion of the playerbase had maxed levels before the system even launched.
I mean I don't know if he eventually got his icon or not, and there's no red reply there, and it's one thread, so I don't know.
It affected a decent amount of the Dominion playerbase. That topic just happened to be the first one I found. Don't think there was ever any official notice: everything was handled either personally or through support tickets. For my alts, they got the icon fine, but they had no stats when Def Not Dom came out, unlike my main.
manbearswine1 votesIt's one thing if Riot says that internally and privately. It's completely different when Riot says that officially in a public statement. I'm also not sure I'd call it shallow or broken. Stale, maybe.
You mean like the promise of solo q? Also their patch notes sometimes contain blatant lies, but those are less obvious for most people.
Oh and there's all of those things like "price of champions will never go above 6300", or "limited skins will never be sold again" and I'm guessing other things I forgot.
Sure, but on further thought, Mastery functions as another hook to keep players playing. It wouldn't really serve that purpose if a significant portion of the playerbase had maxed levels before the system even launched.
Yeah I'm aware that that's why they did it, but I think that mastery should be first of all about mastery, gains and incentives to play shouldn't come at the cost of making mastery mean less, and yet that's exactly what they do, so that's something I very much don't approve of, but yes, that's why they are doing that.
It affected a decent amount of the Dominion playerbase. That topic just happened to be the first one I found. Don't think there was ever any official notice: everything was handled either personally or through support tickets. For my alts, they got the icon fine, but they had no stats when Def Not Dom came out, unlike my main.
Did you need to contact riot to get the icon for them? Because It just might be some visual bug, I'm fairly sure they still have those stats.
Minarde1 votesYou mean like the promise of solo q? Also their patch notes sometimes contain blatant lies, but those are less obvious for most people.
Oh and there's all of those things like "price of champions will never go above 6300", or "limited skins will never be sold again" and I'm guessing other things I forgot.
Breaking promises is nothing new to Riot, but essentially telling players not to play a game mode isn't quite as common. Though, it seems more common this season.
Did you need to contact riot to get the icon for them? Because It just might be some visual bug, I'm fairly sure they still have those stats.
Yes and no? I contacted Support before the icon distribution, and it worked out fine. Definitely not just a visual bug, as even Support was telling me that I had 0 wins. I saw RiotRival hanging around the Dominion chat trying to help out people too.
manbearswine1 votesBreaking promises is nothing new to Riot, but essentially telling players not to play a game mode isn't quite as common. Though, it seems more common this season.
Not sure how breaking a promise is different from lying, if anything, isn't it the same thing but worse?
Besides I'm kind of inclined to think solo q was a lie from day 1(cause it was obvious that it will backfire hard if implemented, something I was looking forward to), and also there are occasional patch notes where you go "no way someone is actually stupid enough to believe this".
Yes and no? I contacted Support before the icon distribution, and it worked out fine. Definitely not just a visual bug, as even Support was telling me that I had 0 wins. I saw RiotRival hanging around the Dominion chat trying to help out people too.
So how exactly did they fix it? did they just take your word for it?
Minarde1 votesNot sure how breaking a promise is different from lying, if anything, isn't it the same thing but worse?
Besides I'm kind of inclined to think solo q was a lie from day 1(cause it was obvious that it will backfire hard if implemented, something I was looking forward to), and also there are occasional patch notes where you go "no way someone is actually stupid enough to believe this".
Breaking a promise (e.g. ranked Dominion, solo queue, Magma Chamber v2, etc.) could be the result of changing circumstances (i.e. "We thought it'd work out, but it's not going well."). Lying would be more along the lines of intentionally misleading players. Publically telling players that ranked TT isn't competitive is closer to "Don't play that game mode because we still don't know what we want to do with it."
So how exactly did they fix it? did they just take your word for it?
Absolutely no clue. Support claimed they'd be able to find the stats after Dominion was shut down, but not before then. I probably lucked out, since I had Dominion wins in my online match history to prove that I was definitely missing game stats.
manbearswine1 votesBreaking a promise (e.g. ranked Dominion, solo queue, Magma Chamber v2, etc.) could be the result of changing circumstances (i.e. "We thought it'd work out, but it's not going well."). Lying would be more along the lines of intentionally misleading players. Publically telling players that ranked TT isn't competitive is closer to "Don't play that game mode because we still don't know what we want to do with it."
If you think circumstances might change don't make the promise, anyway, what do you think changed that made riot make 7800 ip prices champions aside from "we figured we can get more money this way", same for limited skins.
But besides, I don't think saying TT isn't competitive is lying.
Absolutely no clue. Support claimed they'd be able to find the stats after Dominion was shut down, but not before then. I probably lucked out, since I had Dominion wins in my online match history to prove that I was definitely missing game stats.
Maybe.
I Q3 votesWhy only list the bad things? If it's what happened this season I love the rotating gamemodes, the new items, and I am happy with the new support items <3
Keevalroy3 votesYou're right, this should be somewhat neutral.
The rotating game modes are good, yes. I highly disagree that the new items introduced this season are a welcome sight though, except for the sup items so you can actually have 4 wards again. In terms of champion design, Riot is learning that not everything has to be overloaded to hell and back and / or unnecessarily convoluted to be fun to play - Sol and Taliya are a testament to that. I'm not seeing anything else.
Note that I'm not including art, story, or sound in this because this has to do with gameplay. They're doing great.
Swiftstrike419 votesI love these "congrats riot, you suck" post. I see several every hour that are pretty much identical to this one. Two trends I've noticed about this forum community :
Most players don't even check these forums, but they still play. I played for a year and didn't start coming here until the past couple of months to read about some patch notes. Of the dozen or so friends I have in real life that play this game regularly none of them read the forums. They just don't care that much and most of them are anything but casuals.
Dominick Destine9 votesVery vocal and immature
Ad hominem much?
A lot of the arguments are very well presented and even if they have profanity, that does not diminish the argument. The irony of you insulting your target while calling them immature is rich, quite rich indeed.
Ultîma6 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FKNtdGK0,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2016-06-03T19:10:43.263+0000)
Ad hominem much?
A lot of the arguments are very well presented and even if they have profanity, that does not diminish the argument. The irony of you insulting your target while calling them immature is rich, quite rich indeed.
Most of the threads headline their argument with something like "Hey Riot, how does it feel to let down millions of players on a consistent basis?". I'm not a fan of DQ but in what world is that well presented or constructive? There's an insane amount of bitching on this board, and 1 in 50 threads actually present a solution to the DQ dilemma in a semi-intelligent way. There's absolutely no possible way Riot can have a discussion about this issue when all players do it tell them how awful it is; they already know ffs.
Dominick Destine2 votesI'm not a fan of DQ but in what world is well presented or constructive?
Not every player is going to write a dissertation on how Riot completely betrayed them. Some players can and will do that, some players can't.... some just don't want to... some of them are just going to say "FXXX you I'm going to Overwatch", this is still very important because it is showing the (Rightful) outrage by the community after being betrayed by Riot Games.
Do you even statistics? Do you even basic understanding of community?
If I were a major Riot guy, I'd be making sure heads rolled for this debacle.
Elikain2 votesMy basic understanding of this community is that they are writing in an unmoderated boards or very loosely moderated one where you won't be forced to communicate under the rules but you're free to express yourself however you want.
some of them are just going to say "FXXX you I'm going to Overwatch", this is still very important
This is literally the most useless feedback i've ever seen and every comment like this. You haven't explained anything, you've just came to shitpost and you called it a day and patted yourself on the back. If you don't know how to leave feedback, leave it to the people who know how to.
Don't shit where you eat. Except that everyone did do just that and are now wondering why does Riot not listen to player feedback and when i look around - there's just a pile of shit and without a diamond in sight. PBE and the boards exist for feedback purposes and having discussions and the community decided to turn PBE into a skin shop of "i don't have a skin on my real servers so i'll just go masturbate on my PBE account" and boards into their personal tumblr shitposting pages.
Too bad you don't really know how to give feedback or else this might not have been a clusterfuck of weak-willed hypocrites who claim that they are leaving the game forever, only to go back on their word, play a few games and then be back tomorrow.
Dominick Destine4 votesMy basic understanding of this community is that they are writing in an unmoderated boards
That's a pretty big insult to the moderators. Ironically.
This is literally the most useless feedback i've ever seen and every comment like this.
1- No, it is not useless. It is expressing extreme dissatisfaction with the decisions Riot is making. 2- Not every comment is like that. 3- Even if every comment was like that, that would still be extremely useful feedback. 4- Do you even know what "feedback" means?
You haven't explained anything, you've just came to shitpost and you called it a day and patted yourself on the back.
The irony is (once again) off the charts.
Investa5 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FKNtdGK0,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2016-06-03T22:17:50.831+0000)
Not every player is going to write a dissertation on how Riot completely betrayed them. Some players can and will do that, some players can't.... some just don't want to... some of them are just going to say "FXXX you I'm going to Overwatch", this is still very important because it is showing the (Rightful) outrage by the community after being betrayed by Riot Games.
Do you even statistics? Do you even basic understanding of community?
If I were a major Riot guy, I'd be making sure heads rolled for this debacle.
Alright guy, you parading around here looking like a pseudo intellectual is triggering me hardcore.
You are jumping on anyone who say anything against the "feedback" to the DQ issue. I've posted in countless threads already, but I'll do it here too. DQ has it's flaws, but the problems people speak about like being matched against a premade as a solo player or long queue times are almost entirely exclusive to higher elo players; the 1%. This is backed up by statistics that riot posted in their news report on the subject, though I'm willing to bet most people just saw the first paragraph and went straight to the comments, not even watching the video. Real grievances to have with DQ would be that the variance of players and teams in the same queue hurts competition and devalues individual accomplishment in the ranked ladder, however this is fixable without simply reinstating solo queue.
Really though, the people against it are the vocal minority through and through. These threads don't even get 1k upvotes, and the dislikes on the video are currently 19k to 6k likes. These may seem like large numbers, but realize that League is the biggest game in the entire world, spanning millions of players. I would be disappointed to find out that such a small part of the playerbase is in control of such a large game.
Remlap12234 votesIf I had 1 RP every time Dominick Destine said some brief, backsided, and often wrong criticism of a logical fallacy, I'd be able to buy all $1000 worth of skins on my main account to another account.
Spicy Rice7 votesWhat i love seeing, is how every season becomes the "Worst Season so far"
The DrBonjigollo9 votesI think about it like this, Why 6 afraid of 7? Because 789 and shit on 6. Meaning Season 7 will be the best season thus far 8 and 9 will be ok but not better and 10+ is for the future to tell, so lets try to see how things will go until then 7 begins/ends (I recommend you keep your wallet far away though).
elon wątroba2 votesI doubt that league survives till 10th season.
TurquoiseYoshi4 votesI don't. Even a failing game can stay afloat for quite a while before disappearing. League is the most popular game in the world, and I highly doubt that it won't thrive, or at least survive, for 5 more years, especially considering that one of Riot's current goals is to make League a permanent game.
RoodToob3 votesWoW is a perfect example of a game staying afloat. It turned to shit in Cata, only with a temporary saving grace in patch 6.2
Cata launch was December 2010
M4DN35S1 votesAnd now Legion is challenging Wrath of the Lich King in players.
RoodToob1 votesWoah, this is 3 months old man 0.0
Also Legion wasnt out when i made that comment. That comment referenced WoD more than anything. Did Blizz release player numbers? and even if they did, what matters right now is retention, Challenging Wrath for a month is nothing. But if they can make it last then good on them (currently playing and having a blast)
Darkslayer859 votes
Karn Bishop4 votesWell we need captain Obvious since riot has hired Captain Oblivious to consult as of late.
Keevalroy3 votes[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FKNtdGK0,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-06-04T04:08:41.437+0000)
Well we need captain Obvious since riot has hired Captain Oblivious to consult as of late.
Voidrey7 voteswasn't ekko the only champto come up this season? Zed, Yasuo, and Fizz seem fairly old
ModCaptainMårvelous18 votesFizz was Season 2 Zed was Season 3 Yasuo was Season 4 Ekko was Season 5 (IIRC) Season 6 has yet to release an assassin the community hates.
So hey, props to them.
Blínk Jennie4 votesNot released champions this season but reworked Malzahar and Veigar might as well be the ones. Just not much hate on Veigar.
Fritterz2 votesIs that a short joke?
theDeblin6 votesKindred was either S6 or really late in S5, iirc.
Everyone hates him, and for exactly the same reason as Fizz/Yas/Zed: bullshit invincibility with a duration that's a significant chunk of a team-fight, on an absurdly short cooldown, that occurs at the push of a button without requiring any kind of skill or foresight to set up.
I don't know if he's technically classed as an assassin, but it's the only thing anyone uses him for in team phase and most of how he's played as a jungle...
ModCaptainMårvelous2 votesKindred is a....she...and a he...ok it's like both they're two characters.
But yeah. Less assassin, more ADC jungler and stuff.
Desiderium2 votesActually Zed was Season 2.
elon wątroba4 votesOn the other side, season when riven sucks is good season.
TurquoiseYoshi4 votesI'm not gonna say anything about DQ because I really don't care, but 1 and 2 make no sense. For 1, Riot made none of those champs in S6, nor did they rework any of them recently. Two of them have been recent problems due to item synergy (Ekko), the way random games are (Zed), and general meta favoring (Both), but the other two are just permanently annoying and permanently popular. And as for 2, neither normal Dominion nor Hide and Seek were really that fun, imo. People who played either was a huge minority of the playerbase, and I can understand Riot's decision to remove it and put a better version on the Featured Game Mode rotation instead.
Remlap12232 votesSorry pal, you have exceeded the logic threshold for the boards. I'm afraid I'm going to have to Tyler1 permaban your account from the boards.
4NoxiousHours3 votesGUT FIZZ
Sertoriuss3 votesHe is completely right with the 4 champions.Every single one of them is completely retarded
Linna Excel2 votesThe sad thing about this is most companies work within a 5 year plan. This is the first year of that plan. So we've got 4 more years of this to look forward to.
Wolfram Oxford9 votesThis is a game. Not a company. Sure there is a company behind this game, but five years Riot will probably be dead along with the game they are ruining. We simply don't have that much time for them to fix their fuck ups.
rtbf2256182412 votesIdk why Riot should take these QQ threads seriously as they're literally only complaints to farm upvotes. They don't even detail what's wrong and they don't provide anything useful as a solution.
