Zed too hard to play?

WitchQueen Annie··1 votes·897 views

Is it just me or is this champion just too difficult to play?

  1. The enemy picks a bunch of CC (and there's so much of it now) and its almost impossible to team fight if they are any good
  2. Mid buys a Zhonya and your usefulness seems to go down by at least 50%
  3. You are supposed to snowball the lane but with your 20+ second cool down on your W, its very hard
  4. A 3 item Zed power spike feels a lot weaker than a similar 3 item power spike on a mage
  5. You have to get close to your targets to kill them, but you are squishy as balls (that just never made sense to me, you should either be Tanky and get to be in the thick of fights, or made of glass but be able to output ranged DPS or AOE damage; assassins are just strange)

So you just split push right? Well... its off the table if your top laner lost basically. Its actually much easier to split push as a tanky duellist then as a Zed in my opinion. Also, your team is going to suck in team fights because they don't have a mage.

ON PAPER Living Shadow is really powerful (its a gap closer, can be used for general mobility, increases your range, can be used to output tons of damage if used right) but in practice, it fees like SUCH a clunky ability; probably because you always want to use it for more than 1 thing but realize that the way you've thrown it only allows you to do one of the above.

Also, what is with Razor Shuriken's RIDICULOUSLY low damage when you hit just 1 and not both? Just try it. Go into a bot game, buy 3 AD items and launch 1 Razor Shuriken at a champion. You will be amazed at how little damage it does. While the damage on a double Shuriken is better, its A LOT MORE EFFORT to aim that bloody thing when you can achieve similar if not superior results with a Viktor laser.

Also... in the hands of the vast majority of players, as soon as people group up, Zed becomes near useless.

I actually consistently play better (more damage, higher win rate, less deaths) when playing immobile carries like Ashe and Lux then I do on Zed. Zed is supposed to be safe and strong, but he feels so bad to play...

9 Comments

Joxcab2 votes

He's useless trash outside of trash tier ELOs, or unless you're like Faker.

LadyRenly2 votes

Zed is fine, the game doesnt favor him right now though with banshees/ga on carries now and he is hard to teamfight with

OurLestrade1 votes

Champions feel different to different people. I can't do any damage when I play Graves.

Hallbuster1 votes

I think Zed only excels at one thing, killing low health and squishy targets due to his passive. If you're looking for raw damage, Talon might be the better pick.

Kirius Dark1 votes

I dont think he's too hard to play but I agree w the points on that list. I've levelled a new account just playing him and one tricked him the entire time on it since season 5.

His damage feels pretty low since the rework and with the new champs that have been released he just doesnt keep pace properly.

  1. Has no sustain. Even the reworked talon has some sustain with Q on minions and everyone plus their mom has shields now
  2. Super squishy. Yep useless in teamfights. Goes into blow someone up and hope no CC lands on you, you dont get exhausted or they dont have zhonya/GA
  3. Team comp needs to build around you being AD mid with no CC, cant tank and zero utility
  4. Conflicting skills. Your gap closer is your damage amplifier which needs to hit to regen energy and also your escape after the assassination attempt :/ Look at someone like Talon who has the wall hop, or Khazix who has leap reset to get out after vs Zed who has to pick one or the other
  5. Way too reliant on your ult to kill someone, and ult is too reliant on having all your abilities up plus full energy to use them. If anyone should have an ult reset or reduced CD it should be zed (lux lmao). You need to get your opponent low before ulting them out, but in order to get them low you need to use your abilities, but also need all your abilities to combo into the ult. Its so contradictory
Zero Skill Tank1 votes

A 3 item Zed power spike feels a lot weaker than a similar 3 item power spike on a mage

3 item powerspike on a mage by all means should be stronger than Zed's, considering how strong his early is.

Mid buys a Zhonya and your usefulness seems to go down by at least 50%

So does theirs. Zhonya's stats absolutely suck.

You have to get close to your targets to kill them, but you are squishy as balls (that just never made sense to me, you should either be Tanky and get to be in the thick of fights, or made of glass but be able to output ranged DPS or AOE damage; assassins are just strange)

Which is why Zed's damage is high enough to allow Maw rush.

Is he weak though? Yes. His new passive where he gets AD for killing AD enemies absolutely doesn't fit him, because no matter how complex Zed's kit is, ultimately what he does best is shitting on enemy mage until they get irrelevant. Right now, he is not rewarded for this - which is a good thing for game as a whole, but very bad for Zed.

Kirius Dark1 votes

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3 item powerspike on a mage by all means should be stronger than Zed's, considering how strong his early is.

WTF. Zed's early game is total shit hence why it's his absolute weakest point

So does theirs. Zhonya's stats absolutely suck.

Except zhonyas is pretty much gold efficient even without the active, so how does that suck????

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

Even with a Zhonyas, a traditional mage can still reliably get off way more AOE damage from a safe distance than Zed can. They'll still generally be more useful utility-wise too.

Zed is supposed to snowball lane but the problem is, even with a Maw rush, not sure he has the advantage anymore against picks like Cass, Syndra, Ahri etc. Its still at best a skill match up and even then the mages only need to fight to a draw to win (they outscale Zed) while Zed has to win.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

I may officially be one of the worst Zeds on the server.

I've checked my champion page and I think I may have 3 times as many games on Zed as on Renekton. Renekton's only RECENTLY hit mastery level 5 (Zed has been 5 and 6 for a long time).

However, within a few games Renek is ready for Ranked and wins games. He wins the lane about half the time (when he does, he damage tanks/split pushes/dives his way to victory), even when he loses lane, he has about 50% chance to win REGARDLESS (because in low elo, you can get people to focus fire on you, the tank).

Zed??????

If he wins lane and snowballs, I STILL lose more often than I win with him. If he loses lane or goes even in lane, its usually GG. He's probably the only champion in my pool who got most of his "S" grades WHEN WE'VE LOST.

You can go 20/2/13 or some ridiculous number and still have more than 50% chance of losing as Zed. Give those kills to a Vladimir or a Tryndamere and it will long ago be GG.

I can't tell you how many games where Zed runs around split pushing, dragging the game into a 50+ minute scenario only to lose regardless.

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