Am I the only one getting mauled to death by just Annie's ultimate + 1 AA from the bear?

Samflash3·Sep 25, 2016·4 votes·1,068 views

I ban Annie because I'm really bad at dealing with point click AoE stuns from a Loli.

36 Comments

The DeckownerSep 25, 20164 votes

At rank 3 Annie's ultimate + one auto from Tibbers will do 950 magic damage assuming Annie has 600 ap.

At lv16(the same level as Annie get rank3 ultimate) literally NO champion will die to that.

Admit you are bad and take the L.

BTW Annie's ult is a ground-area-of-effect ability, it is not point and click. Annie can miss and the enemy can flash the ability.

Samflash3Sep 25, 20162 votes

Umm...I thought I already admitted I'm bad at facing Annie? Hence the ban.

The DeckownerSep 25, 20161 votes

You are bad at the game in general. Your lack of game knowledge is probably why you suck against annie.

Samflash3Sep 25, 20162 votes

Welp...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/872/113/a45.png

Sir FuzziSep 25, 20161 votes

Just wait 'till Annie gets you with a Rylai's! Did you know Tibbers' latent burn will proc it, as should his basics? Not to mention Annie has a low-CD single-target for maximum slow effect as well.

There are a few things you want to check out when running down Annie.

Is her stun up? Recently they added a bar to her, below her resource bar, but she's also always had little white swirls surrounding her when her stun is geared to go. When her stun is up, you should be trying to force her into an unfavorable ult-- and if you're not sure her flash is down, then it might be better to ask for a gank, perhaps.
What's her build? The more HP items Annie has within, the more like a tank she's going to feel; her shield is prepped to take large burst, offering a substantial 40% damage reduction. While it won't be the worst if you don't have consistent damage coming out, someone who relies on a stream of damage will be suffering from having it up. It also returns damage, which can start to smart on said champions at Annie's higher AP builds. Conversely, if she's full-bore AP and has very little HP, you'll have to play duck-and-dodge where you just fake out her shots as best as you can.
Lastly, what's your record like? If you're consistently losing out in fights to Annie, you need to call for help. If your team won't help, you're basically hooped, but you'll want someone strong to take the stun. Always fight Annie on two fronts; her W means she can regularly punish tightly-knit formations and it deals more damage than her Q, incidentally. It can stun any enemies it hits-- but! It can also whiff completely unlike her Q, and it will burn up her stun if she does miss with it.

Annie suffers when opponents have high-burst kits or strong CC (who doesn't tho) and struggles against anyone who can keep range on her. Rylai's is a good option and always be aware that Annie, unlike most mages, flourishes in close-quarters due to having CC and strong AoE in close range. Always try to keep picks that won't need to enter too close to her range, and try to stick to picks with pursuant-denying CC-- Xerath, LeBlanc, Karma and Zyra come to mind (where Zyra can hit through minions).

I know this is all just loose theorycraft and probably stands out as obvious but I figured I'd just try to point out a few things. Make no mistake, Annie is powerful and for all the reasons you think she is. It's pretty hard to underperform as Annie and easy to underperform against. But when all else fails, the last thing I'd suggest is play the HELL outta her. Nothing learns you a champ like knowing them inside and out, ranges and all.

Do you play with Quickcast on?

JackMcSnipeyzSep 25, 20161 votes

Amm, Annie's ult IS. A point and click ability, you point it at the ADC, you click on it, and boom, instant AoE stun in 1 frame with no casting animation.

Yea you can miss it, if you're really bad or used if you used it prematurly, but dont act like a 4 stacks annie isnt a dead zone to anything that isnt a tank

The DeckownerSep 25, 20161 votes

It is not point and click. If you call that point and click then every ability in the game that isn't a skillshot is point and click by your definition.

A point and click ability is a single target ability that requires the user to select 1 tatget and the ability is unavoidable unless the target uses invulnerability.

For example: Annie's Q is a point and click ability, Annie's Ult isn't. Leblanc's Q is a point and click ability, her w and e aren't. J4's Ult is point and click, his EQ combo aren't.

If you think annie's ult has no counterplay, maybe you should consider reacting when you see this short range mage suddenly start walking dorectly toward you with 4 passive stacks. Seriously Rito already made it so easy to see her passive stacks and they nerfed the hitbox of her ult.

JackMcSnipeyzSep 25, 20163 votes

Not getting close is not counter play, like i said, when she has 4 stacks, sge's basicly a big deadzone, thats not counterplay. Thats why mahlz is so toxic, basicly if yiu get near him, you'll get chuncked, but annie's burst is much much quicker

The DeckownerSep 25, 20161 votes

Then why don't you cry about malphite ult much longer range much longer cc?

if you are that bad at positioning try this amazing item designed solely for adc named QSS

ReikkenSep 25, 20161 votes

It isn't instant.

adidasSep 25, 20163 votes

People who defend annie make me sad.

Almost in diamond and i still fuckin hate that braindead champ

MagicFlyingLlamaSep 25, 20162 votes

No, not just you.

xWatersSep 25, 20161 votes

Getting flash + tibbers as an adc is the most stupid thing ever cause you get one shot with no way to avoid it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 25, 20166 votes

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summoner 1 summoner 7 summoner 21

Immortal spaxSep 25, 20162 votes

The legendary Adc with Cleanse and Banshee

Sir FuzziSep 25, 20162 votes

Well, goodness forbid you build anything but the same six meta items, right?

It's like people who build dominik's over reminder even though there's enemies with healing. Gotta do that meta, right?

LovelleSep 28, 20161 votes

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Not every champion can afford to rush those items man. Annie forces other champions to build sub-optimally just by existing. That alone speaks volumes of what she brings to a team.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 28, 20161 votes

annie dont have ult til 6... if you cant get mr or itemize vs a laner by lvl 6 then you need to die. and you get to die. and if your playing vs an annie mid who is going full ap and not support annie.. if you dont run a rune set up vs that type of match up once again you get to die...

solo lane vs burst ap damage is like this

flat magic pen reds. hp per lvl seals, ap quints and a mix of flat mr and scaling mr

LovelleSep 29, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F5iGli57,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-28T22:41:00.624+0000)

annie dont have ult til 6... if you cant get mr or itemize vs a laner by lvl 6 then you need to die. and you get to die. and if your playing vs an annie mid who is going full ap and not support annie.. if you dont run a rune set up vs that type of match up once again you get to die...

solo lane vs burst ap damage is like this

flat magic pen reds. hp per lvl seals, ap quints and a mix of flat mr and scaling mr

I'm not only talking about the laning phase. That's just a small part of the game. I'm talking about everything she offers from start to finish. You can argue about it with me all you like, Annie is going to get nerfed. I guarantee it. It's happened before, it will happen again.

If I was a betting man, I'd say they're going to hit Molten Shield and/or Tibbers.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

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I'm not only talking about the laning phase. That's just a small part of the game. I'm talking about everything she offers from start to finish. You can argue about it with me all you like, Annie is going to get nerfed. I guarantee it. It's happened before, it will happen again.

If I was a betting man, I'd say they're going to hit Molten Shield and/or Tibbers.

whether she does or doesnt isnt gonna change alot... she is still gonna have the same kit unless the rework her...

i have personally never had an issue against her..

LovelleSep 29, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F5iGli57,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-29T10:14:59.224+0000)

whether she does or doesnt isnt gonna change alot... she is still gonna have the same kit unless the rework her...

i have personally never had an issue against her..

Actually, a weaker shield will have a noticeable effect on her gameplay. It's one of the primary things that makes her so hard to focus. It's also my main issue with her. A burst mage, with her utility, should not also get one of the best shields in the game. I could understand if she had all skillshots, like Lux or Sion, but she doesn't.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

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Actually, a weaker shield will have a noticeable effect on her gameplay. It's one of the primary things that makes her so hard to focus. It's also my main issue with her. A burst mage, with her utility, should not also get one of the best shields in the game. I could understand if she had all skillshots, like Lux or Sion, but she doesn't.

they changed her shield not long ago

LovelleSep 29, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F5iGli57,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-29T22:10:01.515+0000)

they changed her shield not long ago

I know. Right now though, it is too strong. 40% damage reduction late game is HUGE. That's literally a tank steroid on a burst mage/support champion. She has no need for that kind of free mitigation, especially since it's easy to build both damage and defense (without sacrificing anything) with AP builds. If her shield's strength instead scaled with AP, like most mages with shields, it would be far easier to deal with since she would have to invest into the kind of mitigation she currently gets for free.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 29, 20161 votes

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I know. Right now though, it is too strong. 40% damage reduction late game is HUGE. That's literally a tank steroid on a burst mage/support champion. She has no need for that kind of free mitigation, especially since it's easy to build both damage and defense (without sacrificing anything) with AP builds. If her shield's strength instead scaled with AP, like most mages with shields, it would be far easier to deal with since she would have to invest into the kind of mitigation she currently gets for free.

40% is max rank

DAMAGE REDUCTION: 16 / 22 / 28 / 34 / 40%

and you dont max E 1st on annie so by the time she gets it is late game where damage is higher by all champs

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 25, 20161 votes

so now we need to delete and rework / nerf annie?

LordGeovanniSep 25, 20161 votes

yes

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 25, 20161 votes

not happening ... learn how to beat her or you will continue to be beaten by a lil girl

Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie

LordGeovanniSep 25, 20161 votes

I aint even mad.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 25, 20161 votes

fyi they have nerfed annie quite a bit since she became a main stay support .... they lowered her early game damage... made it easier to see her stun passive etc and yea flash has 5 min cd

Samflash3Sep 25, 20162 votes

I just have issue with the protobelt Annie. That thing is ridiculous combined with ult.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 25, 20161 votes

protobelt is strong on alot of champs...

Samflash3Sep 25, 20162 votes

But is a serious buff to Annie.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 25, 20161 votes

yes and strong on Kennen Rumble Swain Lissandra Vladimir

Samflash3Sep 25, 20162 votes

Agreed.

Now let's move on.

LordGeovanniSep 25, 20161 votes

but guess who got reworked for having a single target point and click stun

ReikkenSep 25, 20161 votes

It has a quarter second delay, so with prediction and a movement skill (or an invuln) you can dodge it. And indeed, people manage this quite often, so as an Annie player I never like to stun with ult unless I can hit a group.