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What did the Abyssal change really even do?

thePandev·5/13/2015, 7:47:41 PM·1 votes·1,522 views

Abyssal Scepter [Reworked] Total Cost: X Recipe: X New stats & effects: +30 Ability Power +250 Health +60 Magic Resist
UNIQUE Passive:Every 4 seconds emanates a pulse dealing 80 (+5 per champion level) magic damage to nearby enemy champions and reduces their Magic Resist by 15% for 10 seconds (stacks up to 3 times, up to 45%)

This item was good on people like Swain, Galio, even Vlad, basically bruiserish mages who were meant to take the brunt of damage.

Not only that, but you could always buy a negatron cloak if you were losing doing poorly vs mid and didn't need or want Athene's, and could build it into an item with good AP stats

But now, what is it? To be honest, the champions I can see benefiting from this are Zac, Sej, AP tanks in general. But, considering Cinderhulk is basically mandatory on almost all AP tanks since most of them jungle anyways, what's the point of this item?

It provides almost no pushing power since it deals no damage to minions or monsters, so champions like DrMundo and Shen would rather take item 3068 anyways.

TL;DR: new item 3001 is now an item useless to AP mages (Useless stats), AP Tank junglers (They take Cinderhulk anyways) and AP tanks in general (item 3068 provides pushing power, while item 3001 doesn't deal damage to minions)

Edit: This item doesn't stack with Cinderhulk! At least it shouldn't, because Immolate on Cinderhulk and Abyssal are the same passives!

30 Comments

AtheosisX5/13/2015, 8:00:45 PM1 votes

Err...you can take this and Cinderhulk I assume. Unless it's been designed to not stack with it. In which case yeah the item becomes nearly useless aside from niche situations.

Dreadlocks5/13/2015, 8:00:52 PM1 votes

Singed Amumu Blitzcrank Shyvana Leona Chogath Maokai Vladimir Swain Galio Elise DrMundo Shen

Don't forget it gives 60!!! MR SIXTY!!! and can shred up to 45%.. that with void staff is op yo

Inphernal5/13/2015, 8:05:40 PM1 votes

To add to the list above ^^^ Alistar Diana Jax Gragas Nautilus Rumble FiddlesticksSejuani Mordekaiser Evelynn Taric Braum

GroundRuleDouble5/13/2015, 8:06:38 PM1 votes

This will be insane with cinderhulk (especially on Amumu). Cinderhulk does magic damage, so the MR shred from this helps Cinderhulk.

T RexHasTinyArms5/13/2015, 8:13:57 PM1 votes

Abyssal passive isn't immolate, it's a different damage passive so it will stack w/ cinder most likely, and it will also increase cinder hulk damage bc it will shred MR against enemy so they take more from cinder, plus take the abyssal passive every 4 sec.

Rand0mH3r0X5/13/2015, 8:16:43 PM1 votes

Does Amumu Sejuani not build item 3001 item 3068 item 3285 and win the game anyways?

Inphernal5/13/2015, 8:18:56 PM1 votes

Is everyone forgetting that this item gives MORE magic resist than both Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil?

Señor Karthus5/13/2015, 8:25:42 PM1 votes

Sorry but I am going to build it for my Karthus. Insane area damage added to my E.

LilxPaprika5/13/2015, 8:28:20 PM1 votes

What im more interested in is what they will offer in terms of flat mpen item(s) for damage dealing champions now that abyssal caters to a different crowd. I think if they do add this they should release it along side a substitute for flat magic pen for ap champions who aren't necessarily looking to get voidstaff. maybe a new haunting guise offspring.

Meep Man5/13/2015, 8:30:03 PM1 votes

Rumble and Amumu are going to have lots of fun with this.

You are going to take it on AP Bruisers. The likes of Rumble, Amumu, Diana, and Gragas. Heck, maybe even the upcoming Ekko depeding on how long his fights last. The 45% magic resist reduction it provides along with decent passive damage can't be ignored. By the way, at Level 18, thats 170 magic damage every 4 seconds around you. Thats about as good as Sunfire Cape against minions.

LilxPaprika5/13/2015, 8:44:30 PM1 votes

I would prefer smaller increments but more often.
How about: One initial tick of 15% plus 4% per 1 second. would take 7.5 seconds. Passive: Every 4 seconds emanates a pulse dealing 80 (+5 per champion level) magic damage to nearby enemy champions~~ and reduces their Magic Resist by 15% for 10 seconds (stacks up to 3 times, up to 45%). ~~ Passive: Aura 15% magic resist reduction + plus 4% per second. would take 7.5 seconds to reach 45%. (Stacks up to 7.5 seconds)

with more ticks it will be felt more.

either that or:

Passive: Every 4 seconds emanates a pulse dealing 80 (+5 per champion level) magic damage to nearby enemy champions and reduces their Magic Resist by 15% for 10 seconds (stacks up to _2 _times, up to 45%). Only stack up to two times but you have an innate 15% magic reduc. aura... Passive: Aura 15% magic resist reduction

since it would be a shame to have an enemy enter just as your first tick went off would take 12 seconds to get 3 on a target and that's if you can manage to stick to said champion all that long.

CatSith5/13/2015, 9:37:55 PM1 votes

They should have changed item 3151 not item 3001 imo. Its probably the weakest ap item atm, the Hp burn is laughable.

Win1Ocent5/14/2015, 1:24:40 AM1 votes

This item will now be great. I would love this item for so many champions.

Blitzcrank Chogath Diana Kennen Malphite Sejuani Rumble Vladimir just to name a few.

Trust me, if this change goes through, we will see a lot more scepters.

VVoe5/14/2015, 4:50:28 AM1 votes

I think that the change is huge idk what you are talking about. First of all it was changed from taking away a flat amount of magic resist from enemies to % amount being taking away that is huge against tanks being able to take away a percentage of their magic resist up to 45% that is ridiculously good for mages to be able to burst down tanks. It just provides more survivability witht he more health and a lil bit more magic resist. I think this is a great item to provide super squishy mages more survivability and easier tank killing.