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just out of curiosity is there a champ that can 1v1 jax late game?

le concombre··4 votes·3,578 views

i don't know any atm

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Xicashina3 votes

The issue is your definition of 1v1 because a variety of champs can 1v1 Jax late game however the conditions must be right.

Also there is the question of wether or not the character has flash or other sums up a/o what sums each character has.

For example:

Ryze can burst Jax down as long as he gets the jump on Jax while his passive can be initiated.

A lot of other mages can 1v1 Jax as long as his flash is down as they simply out range him and can perm kite him.

If you mean straight up He lands his full combo on you and you land your full combo on him who wins, well that depends too. If your an adcs you can 1v1 him if you have a dash and qss (Think Lucian, Vayne, Jinx if she can trap him)

Singed can 1v1 Jax late game but you dont fight him. You can perm trap him in poison by infinitely kiting him and flinging him back whenever he leaves.

However if you simply mean you want a late game scaling dueling top laner who scales just as well as Jax then ... do i really need to say it

Fiora

Incognonymous3 votes

Trundle.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Trundle.

Doesn't Jax out-DPS him?

Shonjl2 votes

Until Trundle ults and literally takes Jax's stats, then he win.

Incognonymous1 votes

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Doesn't Jax out-DPS him?

Dueling is more than just a DPS race. My guess is whoever ults first loses. Jax ults, Trundle ults and steals his bonus resistances. Trundle ults, Jax regains what was taken by ulting.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Jax doesn't need to ult to beat Trundle, that's why Trundle always loses to Jax.

Incognonymous2 votes

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Jax doesn't need to ult to beat Trundle, that's why Trundle always loses to Jax.

Nice name. I'm sure your bias has nothing to do with how wrong you are.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Seeing I have a lot more experience with both champs on a lot higher elo than you have ever been I am pretty sure you are wrong :)

Incognonymous2 votes

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Seeing I have a lot more experience with both champs on a lot higher elo than you have ever been I am pretty sure you are wrong :)

That's a nice fallacy you got there. It's a shame you aren't above such intellectual laziness, but this community has a reputation for a reason.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Just face it dude...there is no way 6 item Trundle beats 6 item Jax.

Incognonymous2 votes

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Just face it dude...there is no way 6 item Trundle beats 6 item Jax.

There are an incalculable amount of ways 6 item Trundle beats 6 item Jax. See? I can make retarded exaggerations too.

Veraska3 votes

Tryndamere? Being immune to death for 6 seconds really helps in DPS checks

Incognonymous1 votes

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Tryndamere? Being immune to death for 6 seconds really helps in DPS checks

You would be surprised. Once tested six Bloodthirster Tryndamere vs. six Bloodthirster Yorick. Guess who won 5/5?

Veraska1 votes

Did yorick ult? The 20% dmg reduction probably helped a lot

Incognonymous1 votes

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Did yorick ult? The 20% dmg reduction probably helped a lot

He did, but so did Trynd. We tested both trying to hit Yorick himself and trying to kill his ghouls, the outcome was the same. With ghouls he just completely destroyed Trynd with autos, without ghouls it was abilities, namely Q. After that my buddy and I tested a whole bunch of six item build combinations and Yorick won almost all of them so long as he kept a good offense:defense ratio.

Troiann2 votes

Master Yi if he can Q dodge the stun.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Ha, Jax has much better dueling potential overall.

Troiann2 votes

Jax's dueling potential is mostly reliant on his stun hitting.

Dodge it and you have a fair game.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

even without his stun, he still has the 2 second dodge along with all his other steroids.

Troiann2 votes

Master Yi's steroid is much stronger than Jax's

DorkunedAuras1 votes

Jax has a strong defensive steroid, and he kills yi far faster than yi kills him because jax builds 2 damage items and 3 tank, while yi tends to go full explodable squishy.

Renaille4 votes

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while yi tends to go full explodable squishy.

maybe in bronze

YumaS2Astral4 votes

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maybe in bronze

This.

Yi can out-DPS Jax due to his E bypassing Jax's defensive steroids. And a Yi should not build full damage if he wants to beat Jax.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Yi is never gonna beat Jax if the Jax isnt retarded.

KillerKell1 votes

Again, watch Cowsep dismantle many High Ranked Jax.

Just have to know how to work the Champion.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Show me how he beats an equally fed Jax 1v1. Not saying Yi cannot beat Jax but it usually is not gonna happen unless Jax fucks up.

KillerKell1 votes

I've told you how. You've ignored it.

Go to YouTube, pull up Cowsep Yi vs. Jax.

He'll teach you exactly how it's done, against Jax's at his Level.

But instead, you'd rather keep beating your head against a wall here.

Go. Watch the Video. Then come back and tell me how you disagree with him, since obviously your opinion is the only one that matters.

Here, I'll make it easy on you.

Here is Cowsep on 261 Ping as Yi taking down a Jax that jumps him blind from a Bush, in a Diamond Game (and since I know you think every Bronze is a mouth breathing idiot, maybe you'll take his Play for it, since it's in a Diamond Game).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQKft6Xf0rM

Now that's on 261 Ping with Diamond Jax jumping out of a Blind Bush.

He also does a video where he goes into depth, sort of like a guide, on Yi. In that video he goes into great details about things like using the Heal to escape a last Tower Shot and directly discusses Dueling vs. Jax. I'll try to find that one, since you must be spoon fed instead of looking for things on your own.

But hey, I'm just Bronze... so what the fuck do I know? No possible way I can be Bronze AND Intelligent, right?

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Level 17 Jax with 2 items and a Negatron Cloak vs Level 18 Yi with 4 complete items lmao...pls. Are you trolling?

KillerKell1 votes

Just like I said, you have to be spoon fed.

Watched 1 video, didn't look any further.

Good job proving you're an idiot that has to be spoon fed everything. Congrats on that, a real accomplishment.

No worries though, just keep getting stomped as Yi when you run into a Jax, since you don't want to learn.

Have a nice day.

The Bíg Ticket2 votes

I asked for a video where an equally fed Jax loses to Yi. Show me that or stop trolling.

I play both Yi and Jax at a much higher elo than you will ever get, please dont act like you can give me advices, it sounds ridiculous.

KillerKell1 votes

Hey, asshat, I'm sending you to a Diamond Player in the Toughest Region (Korea).

You better than him? Because I'm giving you the advice HE gives.

Yet you are still to spoon fed to go get the information yourself. Your Ego is the issue.

You were a Plat that's in Gold, which is good stuff. But I'm literally giving you Information from a Diamond on the Korean Servers... and you're acting like an elitist asshole.

There's this thing, called Research. There's this other thing, called the Internet. You don't have to be Platinum or Gold to use either of them. Look the shit up yourself, douche.

You also happen to be 0-2 in your Career of Ranked as Master Yi. So tell me what experience you have with Master Yi? Yet you are asking specifically how a Yi can beat a Jax. If you were asking how a Jax beats a Yi, cool. You have experience with that. You were 8/16/11 over the 2 Games you Lost as Yi at that... you weren't very good at Yi.

SO I guess you got nothing more to learn about Master Yi though, because you're Plat/Gold. Is your Yi Game Plat/Gold? Nope, sure ain't. So why don't you STFU and LISTEN when you are being directed to a Diamond that is one of the best in the World on the Champion you asked about?

Oh, because you're nothing but an arrogant ass. Got it.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

And you are trolling again...I was 3-3 with Master Yi in ranked season 5 with an average KDA of 6.5 5.5 4.7 and yeah those games were played at Platinum elo.

He can 1v1 a Jax thats a level behind and has 2 items less...ok I can do that too. So do you have a video of an equally fed Jax losing to Yi or not? Last time I asked this, don't like entertaining trolls like you.

KillerKell1 votes

I will say this however... great game as Kassadin. 38/0/1, 368 CS in 32 Minutes. Great performance there.

But you should understand that while not everyone PLAYS the game at a high level, it doesn't take playing at a high level to UNDERSTAND at a High Level. You've been rather arrogant and a down right ass when YOU asked a question and people tried to help answer it for you, especially considering how I tried to answer it for you by directing you to who many consider the Best Yi in the World.

You have Champions you're great at. Yi isn't one of them, at least by your History. Jax IS one of them. You understand Jax WAY better than Yi. So of course you'll see the advantages of Jax. I'm simply trying to answer your question by directing you to some one who knows more about Yi than either of us, and who makes it a routine to defeat Diamond Korean Jax's all the time.

People say Americans have an attitude, but you really brought some EUW Arrogance and basic snobbery to this thread. You should really check your ego, especially when asking for knowledge.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

That was a custom game lol....

If you understood the game you wouldn't be at the rock bottom of the ranked system. Nothing against you, you are probably a great person and maybe alot smarter than me but the fact that you are Bronze V shows you have no game knowledge.

KillerKell1 votes

You have to understand WHY I play Ranked. Take a look at my LoLKing. I'll post it, so there is no issue with a 'call out'.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/47352256#ranked-stats

I have it set up so that I don't start to climb until I feel I have 3 Champions in each Lane (6 Bot for ADC/Support). Because I don't want to climb on the back of One Champion. I understand that is the most effective way, but what when that Champion is denied me?

In other words, I want to better my game at ALL Roles before I really start to climb. I'll make a point by that.

I Won 61.2% of my Games in Season 5 as Shen, going 74-47, while having a line of 5.8/5.3/14.1 and getting 104.4 CS per Game.

I played Shen in Top, Jungle, Support and even some Mid when Team Mates refused to match a Malzahar or Katarina or other Mid they felt was OP.

I Won 62.5% of my Games as Braum Support, 25-15, with a line of 2.7/6.1/18.4 and 41.8 CS.

If all I played was Shen and Braum, I'd naturally climb at a 60%+ WP.

But I don't want to get to Higher Divisions ONLY being good at 2 Champions. That's not being a Gold Level Player... that's being a Gold Level Shen and Braum.

Now it's fine for those that DO want to climb that way, and the new Ranked Queue really is going to help with that... but that isn't how I am choosing to do it. (Don't get me wrong, once I get enough Champions to the level I want for them all to exist in Gold, THEN I'll focus on finding what my absolute best is and climbing from there).

I need to refine my Sejuani, which is good but not good enough, for instance.

I need more time on Xin, as he falls for much of the same traps as Yi and one needs to be REALLY good on them if they are going to play them Gold+.

Some of these Champions I'm close on (looking for a 60%+ WR supported with a 2.25 KDA or better).

Some areas I'm pretty far off on, like my ADC. Even Caitlyn, likely my best ADC KDA (8.2/5.4/8.5) still is Sub 50% at a Win Rate of only 45.5% (15-18). Obviously, though decent with her, I need to be BETTER. I'm still doing something wrong.

Cho'Gath, same boat. KDA 4.5/5.3/8.2... but WP only 40% (8-12). I need to get more out of Cho for my Team before I'm ready to move up.

Darius... where some how I'm 6-3 (66.6%), with a decent Line of 5.7/5.2/9.3... but I honestly don't feel like I'm good on him, like I use him completely. So while he'd count on the WP/KDA (60%+, 2.25+) I personally don't feel I handle him well enough, and need more games on him before I'm ready for Higher Elo.

And of course there are the Champions I just shouldn't even be on (my Lucien is epic bad, for instance... I really need time to work on him).

Now, I'm not saying I want to have Mastery over 127 Champions before I really focus to climb... but I do want a good Champion Pool and not to climb (at least to Gold) on just 1-2 Champions.

Look, I'm 37. I play for me. I really want to get good at many aspects of the game, then climb instead of finding 1 or 2 Champs I'm good at and rushing with them.

So I hop on Shen in Ranked, get my Streak Up... but then I'll go another Champion to gauge my level with them. If it's really bad, like Lucian... he's off my Rotation, back to Scrims Only with him until I feel better about the Champ.

You can look at my Braum and Shen and see I could easily climb to Silver, possibly Gold, if I just stuck with those 2 Champions. But that's not how I want to advance out of Bronze. I want a solid foundation, where I'm not 'Bronze' in ANY Role when I finally leave it for good. So when I am Gold I can be reliable expected to Fill.

After Gold, the Competition gets much greater... at that point I'll be selecting my Best Roles and Champions and focusing on them.

I also (back in Season 4, before I moved) played a lot of Scrims in Customs vs. Plats and Diamonds that I was friends with. So while I don't know the Ranked, I have played that level of Competition and learned from them, and held my own with them.

So am I Bronze? Absolutely. I'm a Bronze Player. But I have an Understanding beyond Bronze, and I have Champions that I absolutely play above a Bronze Ability.

You don't have to be great at playing something to learn it and even teach it... look at Professional Coaches in Sports, most never played the Game they Coach Professionally. But they have the mind to understand the game and break it down. You shouldn't over look that in people.

KillerKell1 votes

Also, you down right lied. No, you do not play Yi at a higher level than me. 8 Games total, going 3-5 (sorry, missed the 3-3 in Season 5... see, that's called admitting when one is wrong. I'm not beneath such.).

So you can act high and mighty overall, but drop the act with Yi. You don't play him at a high level at all, you really don't even play him at all.

But that's part of your arrogance again, trying to make it sound like your some Master Tier at Yi when you have 8 whole games in your Ranked Career as the Champion and went 3-5 with him.

Drop the act. Bedazzle me with your Jax, Nami and Alistar or your Trundle, Nunu and Leona... but don't tell me you 'Play Yi at a higher level'... because you don't really play Yi at all.

Spicy Rice1 votes

All you gotta do is q the stun

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Jax can choose when to activate his E...Yi needs luck to predict it.

Spicy Rice1 votes

Yea, its a knowledge match up. You eventually play against jax enough that you can predict when he is gonna stun pretty consistently

La Barbotte2 votes

Rammus

lnterloper2 votes

Malzahar GG

CC Mustang2 votes

The Doge Nasus easily can.

DarthSpectrum2 votes

Nasus can easily win against Jax. It is probably one of the easiest match ups in League. As long as Nasus do not die too often early game, he can bypass Jax's E with Q, and cripple Jax's AS with W.

Fiora can also duel Jax. This is more of a skill match up since Jax can dodge vitals with E and time the second cast to sneak the stun under Riposte. If Fiora can block Jax's counter strike, Fiora wins. If she cannot, it is 50/50.

MasterYi : If Yi has Devourers (red smite), Guinsoo's Rageblade, and some tank items, he might stand a chance against Jax. Yi can meditate while Jax attacks with counter strike up. As well, he can dodge the stun with a preemptive Alpha Strike. If Yi manage to do these tasks, he will win against Jax in the DPS race that ensures after.

Some other champions such as Lulu , Ryze , or Viktor can also beat Jax late game. However, they rely on kiting him backwards instead of out right fighting him.

Yaskamasandwich2 votes

A late game Nasus destroys late game Jax. Another champion who may be able to do it late game and has been not been mentioned, not 100% sure myself on this one, is Tryndamere if he gets lucky crits.

No flash no life1 votes

Mundo should be able to handle jax. If things look bad just kite while spamming q to perma slow jax. Fizz might be able to, with all that 45% cdr and zhonya. Nasus and Veigar can but they need to be super stacked. Poppy can if jax is close enough to your base that poppy ult can knock him to your fountain.

Nechronia4 votes

That's not how Poppy's ult works dammit!

ilt1 votes

Fiora fk outta here with your stun

le concombre1 votes

but jax can counterstrike yi's auto attacks

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