why did riot gut ap kog

le concombre·3/11/2017, 5:47:52 AM·29 votes·2,762 views

i went back to playing ap kog but then in game i realized that the ap ratio on his e went down to 50 percent. wtf? why? ap kog was so much funner than ad kog. :(item 3070 was it op? can someone explain to me. cuz i spent alot of time trying to master ap kog

its just a shame that one of the funnest things for me to play was gutted for some reason

42 Comments

hhaavviikk3/11/2017, 8:46:33 AM19 votes

2 reasons I can think of

  1. once he had some AP he would go to creep wave, use E to instantly kill all the minions and just go back to the tower, riot doesn't like that hence several champions have been nerfed in the past for doing that
  2. having to dodge nukes from 1800 range isn't fun
ItsOrval3/11/2017, 8:50:31 AM10 votes

That shit was cancer man. 2 artillery shots fucks you up lol.

Borbland3/11/2017, 10:44:18 AM5 votes

It was strong but not OP. Kog'Maw was immobile and his projectiles are easy to dodge.

Riot just seems to force champs into one possible role and guts other possibilities. AP Kog was really hurt after the Marksman rework, and the rework revert only was for AD Kog, since they kept the weak AP ult.

NodirjonSattarov3/11/2017, 6:36:32 PM3 votes

meddler played a game vs an AP Kog'Maw OTP and lost lane super hard. thus resulted in nerfs where he was effected by the most. the ever so powerful E

Teslyn3/11/2017, 3:51:54 PM2 votes

Kog started moving to the mid lane. Seems when they talk of diversity they dont mean Kog. back to AD BOT lane you go.

SpecterVonBaren3/11/2017, 3:03:06 PM1 votes

It still works, it just takes even longer to hit his full power than before.

Overlord Forte3/11/2017, 7:46:36 PM1 votes

AP Kog suffers from problematic game design, namely in just doing everything Xerath does better without any of the downsides. They were quite specific in killing it before, though the revert allowed the design to come back somewhat.

normie sIayer3/11/2017, 8:30:47 PM1 votes

because getting spam poked from an entire lane distance away was cancer

Ez dePaz3/11/2017, 10:10:56 PM1 votes

At least it's still playable, unlike Ad Malz which is completely gutted. Coming from a Ad Malz/Ap kog main.

BeatzBoyFTW3/11/2017, 5:51:52 AM1 votes

I guess cz it kepts nuking people's HP for a fast projectile ability.

Baron of Bread3/11/2017, 11:25:08 PM1 votes

They didn't like that he could have access to extreme waveclear without sacrificing his ability to rain death on his enemies. Most other champs had to spend more of their offensive potential to clear the wave, by which I mean they had to spend multiple cooldowns. The exceptions to this tend not to be long range artillery.

Supreme Senpai693/11/2017, 8:24:50 AM1 votes

I don't get why Kogmaw is AP if they don't want you to build AP. Is it because giving his abilities AD scaling would break him? Yet he still builds AD. Maybe that's a sign of a unhealthy champion

Hige3/11/2017, 8:53:01 AM1 votes

Honestly, AP kog is still pretty good, not broken anymore which is good but you have comparable damage to other mages even though you're incredibly long ranged and your damage is incredibly reliable

Veraska3/11/2017, 10:50:47 AM1 votes

There was a time when it was highest winrate mid in the game, which would be fine if it wasn't supposed to be kog'maws off role, that was the justification at the time of the last nerf

Also riots been very open about artillery mages being some of most frustrating and toxic experiences to play against when strong, and ap kog is like the worst offender of this

Thefrostyviking3/11/2017, 1:52:59 PM1 votes

People started spamming AP kog and riot cut the damage because of his range.

You can have damage, range or quick spells or a mix between but never all of it. (Artillery mage)

Which means that AP kog was always destined to be gutted since a good portion of the competition was.