Lets nerf his shield generation.
What? The champion had an abysmal win rate, being one of the most chronic feeders since cho'gath canonically. What's the point of buffing a character that NEEDS a buff to compete when you just layer that on top of a nerf?
Deep Terror Nami5 votesSo his massive shield doesn't make him immune to poke during laning phase???
SIayton1 votesIt already builds super slow when they took away the ability to charge it with dashes via the W passive. Now its going to build painfully slow.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesThe percentage they reduced the flow charge rate was not equivalent to how much they increased the shield; not even close. It is a net buff that will very noticeable during laning, unless you waste the shield by getting auto'd then run off and be wasted.
Akali is SO HOT2 votes[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EvVFvRAg,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-29T00:47:59.752+0000)
The percentage they reduced the flow charge rate was not equivalent to how much they increased the shield; not even close. It is a net buff that will very noticeable during laning, unless you waste the shield by getting auto'd then run off and be wasted.
When all they have to do is auto attack you and wait 1 second for the shield to wear off it's not much of a buff.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesThat means you go in hard when it comes up. He could not have that passive at all and he'd still work. You're completely right, but there are opportunities the ability provides if you only take them. Lots of passives are less effective if you fuck it away.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesI think Riot forgot about the part where his shield lasts 1 second
Lugg2 votesThe shield only activates when he gets attacked. So the duration doesn't really matter.
AHeroNamedHawke1 votesThe shield only activates when he gets attacked. So the duration doesn't really matter.
You auto attack him and wait 1 second to burst him
The shield value is now irrelevant
Lugg1 votesYeah, but it still blocked the auto attack, so Yas got saved some health and now has warning so he can dash away.
AHeroNamedHawke4 votesYeah, but it still blocked the auto attack, so Yas got saved some health and now has warning so he can dash away.
To run back and forth behind his minion wave for 15 seconds waiting for the shield to recharge, because if he goes to farm or trade he'll get chunked without his shield up
Flawless strategy
This is a nerf because the shield value makes no difference in this scenario, but now takes longer to charge
Lugg2 votesHmmm, somehow all the other melee champions without a free shield somehow are able to farm this way. Plus the fact that you should be constantly moving anyway.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesHmmm, somehow all the other melee champions without a free shield somehow are able to farm this way. Plus the fact that you should be constantly moving anyway.
The other melees have this thing called "ranged farming or good trading", such as Zed spamming shurikens and having a great all in, Talon farming with W and having a great all in, Diana clearing with Q and having a great all in, etc
Yasuo can't really all in anyone pre Shiv and has to get within 475 range of minions to last hit, so he has a significantly harder time early game in most matchups
Lugg2 votesNot all melees have ranged farming. He needs to have a weak early lane because he can snowball pretty hard. Plus the fact he has an ability known as wind wall that lets him farm pretty much poke free. Yasou has a very strong kit and needs to have weaknesses for other champions to exploit just like he can exploit others.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesNot all melees have ranged farming. He needs to have a weak early lane because he can snowball pretty hard. Plus the fact he has an ability known as wind wall that lets him farm pretty much poke free. Yasou has a very strong kit and needs to have weaknesses for other champions to exploit just like he can exploit others.
Like who? Kassadin? Akali? AKA garbage tier mid laners? He snowballs just as hard as anyone else, and a 3.5 second wall you can walk through on a 26 second CD doesnt suddenly enable free farming
Lugg1 votesIf they walk thru the wall, they are in melee range and Yas can punish them pretty hard.
AHeroNamedHawke1 votesIf they walk thru the wall, they are in melee range and Yas can punish them pretty hard.
Or get he'll raped because Yasuo is awful at trading pre-Shiv
And you still haven't addressed what this magical "completely melee with no ranged farming but still viable" mid laners are
Lugg1 votesWukong, FIzz, Master Yi, Fiora, and Riven are all viable mid lane melee champions. And by the way, Yas does have more poke than any of these champs with his tornado.
AHeroNamedHawke1 votesWukong, FIzz, Master Yi, Fiora, and Riven are all viable mid lane melee champions. And by the way, Yas does have more poke than any of these champs with his tornado.
Lugg1 votesLugg2 votesThey had to do it to balance him out. He is so strong late, that he needs to be weak early.
SIayton3 votesHe's not even strong late unless you're bronze. Teams CC him down and focus him so easy. He's by far the least safe melee ADC.
Akali is SO HOT1 votesHe's not even strong late unless you're bronze. Teams CC him down and focus him so easy. He's by far the least safe melee ADC.
In Bronzodia he's op broken though and needs nerfs :^)
Lugg1 votesTeams CC and focus him due to the fact that he is so strong. If you don't do that, he will ult your entire team and get a penta.
AHeroNamedHawke2 votesTeams CC and focus him due to the fact that he is so strong. If you don't do that, he will ult your entire team and get a penta.
The only comp Yasuo works in currently are knockup focused comps that can lock down an entire team for several seconds and give him a 5 man ult
But you can just pick Annie or Ori and do the same thing but better
Or do you mean he's going to charge a tornado and somehow land it on 5 members of your team without being killed? Is that it?
Lugg1 votesYas is going to get 4-5 man ults when he is in the right team comp. The 5 man tornado knockup is of course much less likely, but it does happen.
Hugh Jayness1 votesYas is going to get 4-5 man ults when he is in the right team comp. The 5 man tornado knockup is of course much less likely, but it does happen.
What's the difference between keeping people in the air with Yasuo's ult and an Annie just dropping a tibbers on your team?
Lugg1 votesThere isn't much difference, your team is screwed either way.
SIayton2 votesThat's every mid and every ADC though. Leave the damage dealers alone and your team dies. With Yasuo, he has to go into melee range WITHOUT Zhonyas or any other form of safety and just hope he doesn't get noticed before he kills a few people. Cassiopea is in a similar place and does her job MUCH better than Yas due to the safety of her range and the stun ult.
Lugg1 votesThat is the exact same for all of the assassins in the game. You have to flank to be effective in teamfights.
SIayton1 votesYeah but that's my point, most of the other assassins are inherently safer and have a way of bailing out or protecting themselves.
Talon: instant jump, stealth. Zed: Shadow swaps and a dive ult that has a built in BAIL OUT button. Way safer. Leblanc: She has TWO teleports with bail out buttons and can juke for days. Also ranged. Also goes invisible automatically when she's about to die. Katarina: Instant teleport. Dumps her entire kit in under a second. Resets when she kills someone. Diana: Ok you got me there, Diana sucks as an assassin. She suffers from the same problem Yasuo suffers from with a lack of escape and having to dive face first into fights. Khazix: Invisibility, a huge jump, jump resets on kills to bail out, a self healing mechanic. Master Yi: Immunity to slows. Complete invincibility on his dash, a heal / damage reduction mechanic. Tryndamere: Self heal, a non contingent mobility move, IMMUNITY TO DEATH Yasuo: A weak one second shield and a dash that can only be used on enemy players.
When you look at it, Yasuo is by far the least safe assassin other than Diana, and even then she's naturally more tanky than him on most build paths. Laning, Yasuo has no answer to ganks other than walk away, and his movement speed was nerfed so he can't even do that well. In team fights, his ult puts him smack dab in the middle of the enemy team. Sure he can flank but his dash has less range than other assassins and he has no way of bailing out like many others. He's an all in champion with no way to protect himself other than wind wall, and that does absolutely nothing vs melee, ground target, and laser abilities.
Lugg1 votesI think your post just points out how broken pretty much all assassins are. Zed and LB have very little counterplay against any comp. Kat and Yi require HARD CC to kill. Diana is all in, but that usually results in her killing one or more. Trynd is actually the easiest to counter, just ignite him after he ults and he will die most of the time when it expires (but your whole team might be dead at that point).
Yes, he doesn't have the escapes and safety of most assassins, but he is still a champion that can hard carry and penta your team.
Badook1 votesyasuo is science